http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=8080

:nono

why would he be in the bullshit customs area for 10 hours. id get mad too

Can you say "abuse of power??"

That's tragic....damn.

Can you say "abuse of power??"he got tazed how is that an abuse of power

he got tazed how is that an abuse of power

How is it NOT an abuse of power?

eh....i'm pretty sure once was enough. the second hit was a bit much, and was probably what did him in.

seems a little impatient on their part....if the guy doesn't speak english, how the hell do you expect him to obey what you tell him to do?

he got tazed how is that an abuse of power

The cop who still has his knee on the man's neck even after the guy was cuffed is not right... :fact

And the guy has no weapon, nothing...

Welcome to BC, look he was out of control before the cops got there, for some reason the cops thought he will be hard to handle so they teasered his a**.

why would he be in the bullshit customs area for 10 hours. id get mad too


Maybe he was an illegal trying to sneak in. :dunno

Lot of these guys don't have proper papers and expect a royal welcome.

Maybe he was an illegal trying to sneak in. :dunno

Lot of these guys don't have proper papers and expect a royal welcome.

Maybe if they didn't kill him first they could've apprehended him first then asked him questions when they got a translator.

One thing I've noticed that's so fcuked about these videos of people getting tazed to death is it seems the officers expect the "suspect" to sit still while they're being tazered. It is impossible for someone to be still while they're being electrocuted yet the officers keep tazing them as long as they're moving...they when they're not moving anymore they're dead.

wow so many experts on lethal and less lethal weapons.

Maybe if they didn't kill him first they could've apprehended him first then asked him questions when they got a translator.



Yup, maybe.


This is like the 268th teaser related death incident, to be honest the only reason people are so upset, cause they actually seen the video.

the alternative is to go back to batons or pr24s and whip his ass. its unfortunate obviously but when the cops came was he compliant? no. was the amount of force used within the policies of the rcmp or department. i dont know i dont work there. here it would have been.

the alternative is to go back to batons or pr24s and whip his ass. its unfortunate obviously but when the cops came was he compliant? no. was the amount of force used within the policies of the rcmp or department. i dont know i dont work there. here it would have been.

Well hell if you ask me, it's harder to beat someone to death with a baton than it is to taze them to death. When you watch a video of someone being beaten to death it's quite clear the attackers are trying to kill them. Cops are tazing people to death and then trying to act like they were just trying to apprehend them.

When the cops came he actually wasn't doing much of anything. The cops were informed he didn't speak a lick of english multiple times yet when they still confronted him with english and expected him to comply! They had him outnumbered and didn't even make an attempt to apprehend him without tazing him The guy was unarmed and showed no signs of violence towards them.

^ You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know when cops show up and they are confronting you, you do what they are telling you to do, or in this case pointing.

In the end nothing is going to come out of this, you can bet on that. :fact

Well hell if you ask me, it's harder to beat someone to death with a baton than it is to taze them to death. When you watch a video of someone being beaten to death it's quite clear the attackers are trying to kill them. Cops are tazing people to death and then trying to act like they were just trying to apprehend them.

When the cops came he actually wasn't doing much of anything. The cops were informed he didn't speak a lick of english multiple times yet when they still confronted him with english and expected him to comply! They had him outnumbered and didn't even make an attempt to apprehend him without tazing him The guy was unarmed and showed no signs of violence towards them.because of public outcry and litigation police agencies around the western world have adopted the use of LESS lethal weapons. that is exactly why they are called less lethal and not non leathal. they obviously didnt speak polish, wtf are they supposed to do? i would have given hand signals to get down on the ground but i wasnt there and its easy to armchair quarter back. if they would have beaten him until he complied with asp batons or whatever it also could have resulted in death. i had 4 of my friends off on administrative leave for 3 weeks because an in custody death occured while they were physically trying to restrain an individual. he was never hit or tazed but he was placed on the ground and placed into handcuffs. he resisted the entire time and then died. a nurse was at the scene and attempted to help him but couldnt.

I don't care if I get flamed for this, if he acted normal to begin with none of this would have happened.

What are we supposed to do?, special order him some Polish food and tell him to relax.

snair, tell me why is the cop still has his knee on his neck, yes you can clearly see it in the video, when the guy is already down and cuffed? So you think his death has nothing to do with the knee being on his neck to prevent him from breathing? Maybe it is all an accident, who knows. But maybe if he lifted his knee just 5 seconds earlier, he wouldn't be dead? If you think this is 100% right, then I have nothing to say. I know you try to protect the police force, but sometimes even the police force can be wrong.

^ You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know when cops show up and they are confronting you, you do what they are telling you to do, or in this case pointing.

In the end nothing is going to come out of this, you can bet on that. :fact

You also don't have to be a rocket scientist to know when someone is scared and frustrated because they're in a strange country and don't speak the local language.

I could give the cops the benefit of the doubt and say the first tase was justified (even don't I don't believe it was) but why did they tase him again when he was already on the ground? There was no excuse for that. The man was unarmed, on the ground, outnumbered, and hadn't shown any signs of violence towards them.

I don't care if I get flamed for this, if he acted normal to begin with none of this would have happened.

What are we supposed to do?, special order him some Polish food and tell him to relax.

Uumm you could try to arrest him and see if he resist? Is that such a hard thing to do? These days it's like police tase you by default before putting cuffs on you.

I don't care if I get flamed for this, if he acted normal to begin with none of this would have happened.

What are we supposed to do?, special order him some Polish food and tell him to relax.

The guy was there for 10 hours, maybe if they got him some kind of translator, none of this would have happened also. :rolleyes

Vale, have you ever tried to restrain a person that does not want to be?

It is not as easy. Force is needed :fact

He was a big guy. Those cops were probably scared of him especially with a stapler in his hand. I think there was more than enough cops to subdue him tho. Very sad indeed as he wasn't trying to hurt anyone. It's always easy to say they could have done this or that but it comes down to the cops training in the end. Anyone that flys off the handle with a weak heart are just asking for a death sentence right there on the spot. R.I.P. big guy.

snair, tell me why is the cop still has his knee on his neck, yes you can clearly see it in the video, when the guy is already down and cuffed? So you think his death has nothing to do with the knee being on his neck to prevent him from breathing? Maybe it is all an accident, who knows. But maybe if he lifted his knee just 5 seconds earlier, he wouldn't be dead? If you think this is 100% right, then I have nothing to say. I know you try to protect the police force, but sometimes even the police force can be wrong.im not sure val, we dont practice that. if im not blind i believe the knee was on the side of his neck which in that case i dont believe it would be a mitigating factor in his death unless it broke his neck. many times an individual needs to be stabalised even after he/she has been handcuffed in an attempt to prevent them from injuring themselves by banging around. in watching the video there are things i disagree with which is why i have continued to say i dont know the policy up there.

Vale, have you ever tried to restrain a person that does not want to be?

It is not as easy. Force is needed :fact


They cops never found out if the guy could have been restrained without tasing him because they tased first!! I could see if the guy had a weapon or was behaving violently to indicate he was not going to go down without a fight but he did none of that.

Vale, have you ever tried to restrain a person that does not want to be?

It is not as easy. Force is needed :fact+10000



ps slam are you racerx85?

The guy was there for 10 hours, maybe if they got him some kind of translator, none of this would have happened also. :rolleyes

Vale you know what Canada is like under staffed and so on.

I'm sure he was not the only one waiting for 10 hours and more.


For example today Air Canada had a huge computer malfunction, that spread though out Canada, people were at the airport all day, yet they were come and cool about it. I bet you there was a few Polish people in there that did not speak English either.

I mean we can't possibly have a translator for every language working with the CBSA.

Vale, have you ever tried to restrain a person that does not want to be?

It is not as easy. Force is needed :fact

Did you actually read my post?

I never said it's easy to restrain someone. You said if he acted normal to begin with none of this would have happened, and I said if they have gotten him a translator, I believe this wouldn't have happened also.

And about force is needed, yes, but is it necessary to keep his knee on his neck while he's already down and cuffed? Try being on the guy's shoes, all you're doing is try to see in the cops' shoes. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the guy is 100% right either, but was all those extra force really necessary? So you think he deserved to be dead because of this?

He came to this country to see his mother. He has never been out of his country, nor ever on a plane. He got released from customs. He got got instructions to meet his family at the luggage area in international area. He got lost and ended up in the domestic luggage area ( 1 floor lower, other side of the airport ). When he got agitated and confused, they placed him in that room ( 10 + hours previous )...The biggest issue other than the tazing, nobody got a translator, or offered food....


And as far as being instructed to stop, or get on the ground, I highly doubt he recognized them as police.

+10000



ps slam are you racerx85?


who is racerx85? anyone from the r1-forum's off-topic knows who I am and which side I would stand on an issue like this.


But the guy is dead now and there's no bringing him back...all I can say is that it's a good thing he wasn't a cop because then people would actually care. :yes

I mean we can't possibly have a translator for every language working with the CBSA.

I can tell you, people are just lazy and doesn't care. Fine there is no translator, but how hard is it for one worker to go to a computer, go online, use an online translator, and type out a short message to him and write it on a paper to show him? You are telling me in 10 hours nobody can do this? Hell I can give you a short Polish message right now if you wanted it.

They cops never found out if the guy could have been restrained without tasing him because they tased first!! I could see if the guy had a weapon or was behaving violently to indicate he was not going to go down without a fight but he did none of that.


He was throwing furniture around before the cops arrived, once he knew the cops were on the way, he calmed down a bit, to be honest how were the RCMP know that he won't start up again, they took no chances teasered to get him on the ground.


Maybe we should market some shirt, please don't shoot or teaser me, cause you might harm me. :crash

V
I mean we can't possibly have a translator for every language working with the CBSA.

Ya, but how many airlines fly out of YVR..Even an foreign airline must have an employee that could talk to him.

I can tell you, people are just lazy and doesn't care. Fine there is no translator, but how hard is it for one worker to go to a computer, go online, use an online translator, and type out a short message to him and write it on a paper to show him? You are telling me in 10 hours nobody can do this? Hell I can give you a short Polish message right now if you wanted it.

It wouldn't have been very hard for them to do that at all but if they did that they wouldn't have gotten the chance to kill him so I'm sure that was quickly ruled out.

Did you actually read my post?




Thought I did :lol Maybe not the whole thing :whiteflag

Maybe we should market some shirt, please don't shoot or teaser me, cause you might harm me. :crash

T-Shirt hell beat you to it.

like i said slam i agree its unfortunate. i never saw anything in the cops actions which would have been against policy. although it may be a small item a stapler could inflict a fairly dangerous injury if you were on the recieving end. as for the 10 hours and such in a holding area or room i agree with val. something could have and should have been done before 10 hours had elapsed. and test pilot with the duty belts on and the ballistic vests i think it unlikely he would not have recognised them. if you review the tape he began to raise his hands which i would view as a sign he understood thier role if not the language.

like i said slam i agree its unfortunate. i never saw anything in the cops actions which would have been against policy. although it may be a small item a stapler could inflict a fairly dangerous injury if you were on the recieving end. as for the 10 hours and such in a holding area or room i agree with val. something could have and should have been done before 10 hours had elapsed. and test pilot with the duty belts on and the ballistic vests i think it unlikely he would not have recognised them. if you review the tape he began to raise his hands which i would view as a sign he understood thier role if not the language.

Ok, so if the cops noticed him raising his hands as a sign of compliance why did they still tase him. Then after the first tase when he was on the ground with a cop on his neck why'd they tase him again?

It was an abuse of power and I think the cops were wrong in this instance. Nothing may come of this but it's another documented case of police killing people with tazers. As the trend continues something will happen.

Ya, but how many airlines fly out of YVR..Even an foreign airline must have an employee that could talk to him.


Maybe it is just me, but I don't remember Canada rolling out the red carpet when we arrived here, so why should he be any different.

I'm getting tired of everyone wanting the royal treatment, just because they are new and just arrived.

Do a little research before boarding the plane, learn a bit of the language before you come here, and most importantly don't cause problems when you are here.


Fact is if he stayed cool, he would be with his Mother now.

I know you try to protect the police force, but sometimes even the police force can be wrong.
btw val i hate the cops haha

btw val i hate the cops haha

oops... sorry... :whiteflag :lol

oops... sorry... :whiteflag :lol


http://www.yamaha-forum.net/forum/showthread.php?p=18214#post18214


Snair loves Pedrosa :lol

T-Shirt hell beat you to it.

Just by having "BRO" at the end will get you tased :crash

http://www.yamaha-forum.net/forum/showthread.php?p=18214#post18214


Snair loves Pedrosa :lolno i dont the fucking midget haha

Maybe it is just me, but I don't remember Canada rolling out the red carpet when we arrived here, so why should he be any different.

I'm getting tired of everyone wanting the royal treatment, just because they are new and just arrived.

Do a little research before boarding the plane, learn a bit of the language before you come here, and most importantly don't cause problems when you are here.


Fact is if he stayed cool, he would be with his Mother now.

I agree, All I'm saying is this is how it happened. I wouldn't go to a foreign country without knowing a few things first.

In the last 2 weeks four people died for being tazed in Canada. That thing need to ban banned asap!! It just doesn't work!! Or it work way too much!!

that shit is tragic and show's how stupid security/police can be..


but my question is where do you get all this news.. you seem to always post the craziest most tragic stuff for some reason.. do you belong to some mailing list of human misery?? :confused

Damn, thats a tragic story. Seems it was mis-handled by all parties involved. I wonder if he had a blood sugar problem, would explain his irrational behaviour after 10 hours with no food.

cant comment till I know ALL THE FACTS...

Do a little research before boarding the plane, learn a bit of the language before you come here, and most importantly don't cause problems when you are here.

you're causing problems right now, GET OUT :fact

and incidentally, I'll be happy to demonstrate to anyone how a small guy can restrain a big guy without using much force. If you fight like a drunken cowboy someone might get killed yes, if you fight like a human being, worst that's gonna happen is a broken arm.

Well hell if you ask me, it's harder to beat someone to death with a baton than it is to taze them to death. When you watch a video of someone being beaten to death it's quite clear the attackers are trying to kill them.

Not that I want to get into this, but you obviously don't know about key strike points on the human body. There's a few places you can strike someone and kill them without ever looking like you intentionally want to do so.

cant comment till I know ALL THE FACTS...

Good idea. Unfortunately, we will never know all of the facts.

Not that I want to get into this, but you obviously don't know about key strike points on the human body. There's a few places you can strike someone and kill them without ever looking like you intentionally want to do so.


can also use some to override muscle/tendon control... ergo make them go limp in an arm/leg if you're trying to control them.

that said, I don't want cops having that power. They've proven time and time again that they'll misuse it.

can also use some to override muscle/tendon control... ergo make them go limp in an arm/leg if you're trying to control them.

Agreed. I only referenced the fatal aspects in response to his comment of "knowing when they're beating someone."

I will say that I'm well aware of the various pressure points, and what they can do to a body and how to control, or attack, someone with said pressure points.

that said, I don't want cops having that power. They've proven time and time again that they'll misuse it.

Would you rather live in a place where the police can not enforce the laws? If so, then why have laws at all?

Agreed. I only referenced the fatal aspects in response to his comment of "knowing when they're beating someone."

I will say that I'm well aware of the various pressure points, and what they can do to a body and how to control, or attack, someone with said pressure points.



Would you rather live in a place where the police can not enforce the laws? If so, then why have laws at all?

I would rather live in a place where police don't have the power to kill someone. Why have laws at all? there will always be laws, but sometimes the base laws written into our brain (like the need to survive and protect our families) override the laws of man. If a cop comes at me and it's clear that he's got intent to kill.... yes, I'll do what I have to to survive. However I don't want to be pushed to that point, and I don't want anyone else to be either.

I would rather live in a place where police don't have the power to kill someone. Why have laws at all? there will always be laws, but sometimes the base laws written into our brain (like the need to survive and protect our families) override the laws of man. If a cop comes at me and it's clear that he's got intent to kill.... yes, I'll do what I have to to survive. However I don't want to be pushed to that point, and I don't want anyone else to be either.


Pretty much anyone has the power to kill. But, based upon this statement alone, I get the feeling you think it's only reserved for police & military. It's not about keeping deadly force out of the hands of the police, it should be about proper use of it. Not just police, but EVERYONE.

Pretty much anyone has the power to kill. But, based upon this statement alone, I get the feeling you think it's only reserved for police & military. It's not about keeping deadly force out of the hands of the police, it should be about proper use of it. Not just police, but EVERYONE.

oh I agree, but I've spent a lot of time learning how to fight and kill, and a lot of time learning about responsible use of power (the 2 SHOULD always go hand in hand)

I think that anytime one is taught, the other needs to go with it. Unfortunately, ANYONE can learn to kill... particularly when it's as easy as pressing a button or pulling a trigger. Not everyone can learn to be responsible with power.

<insert my opinion here>

it's amazing what we plaster on the news these days.

oh I agree, but I've spent a lot of time learning how to fight and kill, and a lot of time learning about responsible use of power (the 2 SHOULD always go hand in hand)

I think that anytime one is taught, the other needs to go with it. Unfortunately, ANYONE can learn to kill... particularly when it's as easy as pressing a button or pulling a trigger. Not everyone can learn to be responsible with power.

Agreed, and I did the same as I spent quite a few years training myself. It's all about responsible coices/actions, etc.

The problem with the power/responsibility argument though is that you can be as responsible about power as you can. Yet, when put into a tough situation, all that might go out the door. It's a person's intellect, instincts, and to a degree training that will either make or break them.

Also, those who could care less about responsibility wouldn't go through training. They'll just buy a gun, or other type of weapon, from an illegitimate source and go to town.

Also, those who could care less about responsibility wouldn't go through training. They'll just buy a gun, or other type of weapon, from an illegitimate source and go to town.

Right, this is true, and ther's nothing that we can do about them.

However we DO get to pick who's gonna be a police officer and who isn't. And generally they get picked based on how many traffic tickets they're likely to hand out, not based on how they'll react when they are responsible for someones life.

Not to mention the shit that they teach in "police foundations" courses... it's not a bloody wonder that they're so f*cked up.

let me ask you this tho. Police are supposed to be there to protect the people, and military is supposed to be there combat outside threats. I mean you could break it down to passive vs aggressive as far as armed civil servants goes.

And yet I can have a squad jog past my front porch every morning, in full battle gear, and I'm not in the least bit alarmed, I'll wave and carry on drinking my coffee.

But if a police cruiser did the same thing... I would certainly be alarmed, and definitely wouldn't be waving.

However we DO get to pick who's gonna be a police officer and who isn't. And generally they get picked based on how many traffic tickets they're likely to hand out, not based on how they'll react when they are responsible for someones life.

"We" do not make the choice. It is delegated to others (police academy, instructors, etc) to decide who becomes an officer. Here, the only LEO appointed by the people is the county sheriff. Same with local district judges. Which could be nothing more than a popularity vote.

Not to mention the shit that they teach in "police foundations" courses... it's not a bloody wonder that they're so f*cked up.

Blame it on "practical theory" training. Some good, some bad. Same with any other profession.

let me ask you this tho. Police are supposed to be there to protect the people, and military is supposed to be there combat outside threats. I mean you could break it down to passive vs aggressive as far as armed civil servants goes.

And yet I can have a squad jog past my front porch every morning, in full battle gear, and I'm not in the least bit alarmed, I'll wave and carry on drinking my coffee.

But if a police cruiser did the same thing... I would certainly be alarmed, and definitely wouldn't be waving.

This gets into a whole different discussion, which might need to broken off..

I look at the difference between military and police differently:

Police = local municipality law enforcement for the citizens regarding day to day legal matters. Theft, rape, warrants, traffic enforcement (all, not just speeding), disputes, etc. I think there should only be four levels to this: city/municipality, county, state and federal marshals. No FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF, etc. At the federal level, only having one would eliminate the problems faced today such as lack of cooperation between branches etc.

Military = Protection of the nation and the basic rights granted to it's citizens by our Constitution. When I enlisted in the Marines, the oath of enlistment was:

I, ____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

By that statement alone, I vowed to protect and uphold the values set forth by the Constitution of the US. Whether those threats be from external sources, AS WELL AS internal. To me, that means military actions can be taken against people on our own soil. That includes it's own citizens who wish to destroy the Constitution.

However, to address your statement, I have no problems with police driving down my street while on patrol. I generally acknowledge their presence by a quick wave, nod of the head, or "Hello" if they're close enough. What I do have a problem with is if they're sitting outside and monitoring my home or following me as I do not do anything wrong or illegal to warrant such. I will state though, that I have been monitored due to family members. But, once I discussed it with them, they backed off as they know I don't tolerate whom they were after.


I know you're in Canada, and things are a little different between the countries. So, I just made these statements as that is what I'm familiar with here in the US.

meh, canada and US are far more similar than any of us would like to admit I think.

I have an inherent distrust for police. Seems that everytime I've encountered them, I was dissappointed, when I've needed them, they're nowwhere to be found. However when they do run across me of their own volition, it's never something good. Speeding tickets, sure, we could go all day on whether it's right or wrong. But it's their job and that's fine. However harassment of people is NOT their job, nor is intimidation/scare tactics... infact that pretty much falls into the textbooks definition of terrorism.

I'm no criminal, I've nothing to hide, I haven't had a traffic infraction in 3 or 4 years now But I don't like the police being around. I don't blame the idea of police as a whole, just who they choose to do the job. Usually young guys that where picked on in school, and out with something to prove. This is NOT a recipe for a responsible person, and definitely not the recipe for someone I want to trust my life, or anyone elses life to.

meh, canada and US are far more similar than any of us would like to admit I think.

I have an inherent distrust for police. Seems that everytime I've encountered them, I was dissappointed, when I've needed them, they're nowwhere to be found. However when they do run across me of their own volition, it's never something good. Speeding tickets, sure, we could go all day on whether it's right or wrong. But it's their job and that's fine. However harassment of people is NOT their job, nor is intimidation/scare tactics... infact that pretty much falls into the textbooks definition of terrorism.

I'm no criminal, I've nothing to hide, I haven't had a traffic infraction in 3 or 4 years now But I don't like the police being around. I don't blame the idea of police as a whole, just who they choose to do the job. Usually young guys that where picked on in school, and out with something to prove. This is NOT a recipe for a responsible person, and definitely not the recipe for someone I want to trust my life, or anyone elses life to.

well said :yes

Ohio cop on leave after video shows woman being hit by stun gun


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/21/ohio.taser/index.html

yeah that was fugged up... putting him on the ground and putting him in cuffs would hav e worked there was no need for tazer in that case...very sad..

they should have tazed him when he had the chair in his hand or computer, but with just a stapler and 4 cops there. that is stupid. just jump the guy and push him down. The guy who had his knee on his neck should be in jail. In the military or even in the civilian academy you DO NOT do that. you can snap a persons neck or hurt their breathing enough to give them a heart attack. that guy deserves to go to jail no matter the circumstances. 4 guys there, suspect on the ground you do not need to ever put your knee on their neck. the tazing shouldn't have been done imo, but there is nothing wrong with it really as he wasn't complying, but the guy with the knee in the neck should be in deep legal shit. Who knows if he will be though as cops normally get some leeway from the judicial system. That leeway is always what the public has a problem with and makes such huge issues as this. Based on the video alone he should be in jail until he goes to trial. If civilians got in a fight and it was 4 on 1 and someone died, those 4 would be in jail or at least the guy who did the most (knee on the neck).

He was Polish btw :(

This is the airport that will be hosting the olympics in 2010.... they'd better get their shit together. "we don't have a translator available."

ohhhhh boy, you're in a world of shit in 2 years....

ohhhhh boy, you're in a world of shit in 2 years....

LOL..We are now...Construction for the events that will never be used after the Olympics are done is going full forward...With tons of road closures etc....The airport is going to be a gong show...I feel sorry for anyone using that airport.

how's the job market out there with all that shit going on?

Construction companies CANNOT get enough guys..They are stealing employees from each other, $1000-$5000 signing bonus for the larger companies..

My cousin builds big $$$ homes, he needs another 15 guys to keep up...

Well with all the attitude in this thread, bloody hell, if I ever go to a country where I dont speak the language, chances are when someones talking to me and I dont understand what they're saying, this could happen to me?

I mean for fucks sake, the guy was there for 10 hours. Dont you think you would be pretty pissed off?

This is a complete tragedy that could have been avoided. And thats the bit that I dont like. It could have been avoided, and people are trying to justify the fact that a man is dead.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

Think about it. It could happen to you, your son, your father. How would you like it if your little girl had to grow up without her dad, through an incident that could have ben avoided.

This is just fucked up in so many ways.

meh, canada and US are far more similar than any of us would like to admit I think.

I have an inherent distrust for police. Seems that everytime I've encountered them, I was dissappointed, when I've needed them, they're nowwhere to be found. However when they do run across me of their own volition, it's never something good. Speeding tickets, sure, we could go all day on whether it's right or wrong. But it's their job and that's fine. However harassment of people is NOT their job, nor is intimidation/scare tactics... infact that pretty much falls into the textbooks definition of terrorism.

I'm no criminal, I've nothing to hide, I haven't had a traffic infraction in 3 or 4 years now But I don't like the police being around. I don't blame the idea of police as a whole, just who they choose to do the job. Usually young guys that where picked on in school, and out with something to prove. This is NOT a recipe for a responsible person, and definitely not the recipe for someone I want to trust my life, or anyone elses life to.

Some movie quotes

From Red Heat:

Jesus Christ, there are never any cops around when you need one. Sure, you make an illegal U-turn, and they're all over your ass. But Murder someone in broad daylight downtown, and theres never one around. Spoken by a cop (Jim Belushi).

Unknown movie out recently:

Cop giving a ticket to a blonde bimbo.
Maam, do you know why I'm standing here talking to you?
BB: Because you got all C's in high school??