http://media.putfile.com/Truth-About-Immigration-Alex-Jones

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immigration mp3 - 6.98MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/49227571f726dd/)

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The first link is still working for me but here is a 2nd link to the audio clip.

immigration mp3 - 6.98MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/49227571f726dd/)

im sick of the lack of enforcement of the current laws.

im sick of the lack of enforcement of the current laws.

The majority of people are sick of it but our government doesn't seem to give a damn. If things keep getting worse more and more citizens will start to take this matter into their own hands.

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The majority of people are sick of it but our government doesn't seem to give a damn. If things keep getting worse more and more citizens will start to take this matter into their own hands.theres a huge problem with it here in utah. cops arrest them for other crimes take them to jail and then the court lets them out. if anything is said in the media etc then the one who said it is branded a racist

theres a huge problem with it here in utah. cops arrest them for other crimes take them to jail and then the court lets them out. if anything is said in the media etc then the one who said it is branded a racist

I'm in Tucson and I can't throw a rock without hitting an illegal on the head (so I throw lots of rocks). Almost everyday on my way home from work I see border patrol "arresting" some illegals they caught but nothing ever really happens to them and they just come right back.

Our priorities are seriously screwed up....we make damn sure that we enforce laws (no matter how petty) against our own citizens yet we turn a blind eye to the country of Mexico invading us and killing citizens. We're just supposed to pretend like it's not really happening.

im sick of the lack of enforcement of the current laws.
They only enforce the last 3 laws that were past! :lol

They only enforce the last 3 laws that were past! :lol

Here in Arizona they just starting to crack down on businesses that hire illegals, but only 1 has been shutdown so far.

dudes a conspiracy theorist everything that comes out of his mouth needs to be questioned. as for mexicans, i dont give a shit. why? cause they are more willing to work than the lazy motherfuckers out there collecting welfare. id rather pay a mexican to mow my cottdam lawn than to pay a lazy shit in the midwest taking money from me cause he/she cant grasp the concept of a contraceptive or get the fuck out of a trailer home.

this is how capitalism works... they're willing to work harder for cheaper, therefor they get more business. Joys of the system.

dudes a conspiracy theorist everything that comes out of his mouth needs to be questioned. as for mexicans, i dont give a shit. why? cause they are more willing to work than the lazy motherfuckers out there collecting welfare. id rather pay a mexican to mow my cottdam lawn than to pay a lazy shit in the midwest taking money from me cause he/she cant grasp the concept of a contraceptive or get the fuck out of a trailer home.

this is how capitalism works... they're willing to work harder for cheaper, therefor they get more business. Joys of the system.


Whether Alex Jones is just a conspiracy theorist or not is irrelevant because the issue of illegal immigration is very much real and there's no denying that. I have nothing against Mexicans...last g/f was Mexican and I have plenty of Mexican friends here in Tucson and they feel the same way about this issue.

You say they're more willing to work than lazy mofos just collecting welfare but there's a lot of illegals that are just collecting welfare also! As far as you paying an illegal to mow your grass because his labor is cheaper...you should be charged with aiding a known criminal!

The excuse "they're just looking for work" is a weak excuse.

example 1:
If I go out drinking tonight and get drunk as hell when it's time for me to go home should I be allowed to break the law and drive?? All I want to do is go home! What's the problem? Shouldn't that be a good enough excuse if I get pulled over?

example 2
As an American..what if I just want to live in Mexico because the cost of living is cheaper. So I go to Mexico illegally and get thrown in jail! Why??? All I wanted to do was live some place cheaper!! Why would the Mexicans throw me in jail for breaking their laws??

What about the ones that can careless about finding work here and over here committing crimes, burning flags, etc?? Should we continue to turn a blind eye to them also?? A lot of people that don't have a problem with illegal immigration are just people that haven't been affected by it yet. We need to start enforcing the laws we already have in place...apparently the White House must have some other agenda. One theory is that our Government wants a North American Union...sort of like Europe. I fail to see how that would benefit American in any way but I guess the White House does.

if you wanna throw that kind of weak logic around let me throw one at you. you ride a motorcycle right? do you always keep it within the speed limits? yea i didnt think so, so technically you are also breaking the law. now lets dig deeper. you speeding puts you and others in danger, you crash you will get hurt or chances are you kill someone innocent person just driving home. a mexican is mowing my lawn, he takes my money home, feeds his family and buys a beer. soo i guess in turn the mexican guy contributes to the economy by paying for beer and baby products while if you decide to crash your bike you get hurt and hurt others. wow that kind of logic just doesnt make sense now does it?

if you wanna throw that kind of weak logic around let me throw one at you. you ride a motorcycle right? do you always keep it within the speed limits? yea i didnt think so, so technically you are also breaking the law. now lets dig deeper. you speeding puts you and others in danger, you crash you will get hurt or chances are you kill someone innocent person just driving home. a mexican is mowing my lawn, he takes my money home, feeds his family and buys a beer. soo i guess in turn the mexican guy contributes to the economy by paying for beer and baby products while if you decide to crash your bike you get hurt and hurt others. wow that kind of logic just doesnt make sense now does it?

You are comparing speeding to entering a country illegally? :nono However, speeding laws are being enforced more than our border laws!

It's not about a Mexican mowing your lawn...is he an illegal alien or not? If he is illegal it doesn't matter what his race is, he is a criminal. There's no way in hell you can actually believe that illegal immigration is helping our economy :rofl

Most money illegals earn in the U.S. gets sent BACK TO MEXICO. That's the #1 reason that Mexico could careless about their citizens coming over here.

you just rebutted on something i already said was weak logic. good job.

you just rebutted on something i already said was weak logic. good job.

It sounds to me as though you support illegal immigration with the excuse that "they're just looking for work". What about all the other people who are just looking for work that are waiting to get here legally??? This is a huge slap in the face to them once they get here and jobs are taken by illegals. Since when is "I just wanted to do something" an excuse to commit a crime? And I'll say it again...not all illegals come here to find work. A lot of them come over here to commit crimes or just leech off the system.

I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on the article I'm about to post. It's somewhat of a long read but it is thought prevoking...



Third World USA

Over 7 million illegal Mexican aliens are currently living in the United States. This does not take into account the millions of other illegal aliens from areas such as Asia, Europe, and Central America. However, this essay mostly focuses on Mexican illegal immigration. We must ask ourselves; why are there so many illegal aliens living in our country? What are the causes and consequences of it? How will this affect us in the future? These questions, although difficult to answer, will be answered shortly. What is clear is that illegal immigration is a serious threat, among many, that our country faces, and it must be dealt with as soon as possible, if we want to maintain any semblance of sovereignty. The consequences of not doing so will be negative and unprecedented.

There are several causes of illegal immigration to the US. The first that we will examine is lack of jobs, and lack of well-paying jobs, in Mexico. This is a primary cause of illegal immigration, because surely if there were sufficient jobs in Mexico, Mexicans wouldn't feel the need to undergo a costly, difficult, and dangerous trek across the US-Mexico border to find a job in a country whose culture and language is vastly different from their own. It would be helpful to examine the common wages of Mexican workers. The average wage for a farm job in Mexico is $5 to $15 a day, whereas in the US the average wage is $6.40. This is a "no-brainer" for a Mexican who desires to provide his family or himself with the best possible life. Mexico has a job deficit of at least 900,000, and it will only continue to grow. It is obvious that the combination of the massive job deficit and extremely low-paying jobs (if available) is the primary cause of illegal immigration to the US.

There are other, less concrete causes of illegal immigration, but they are effective nonetheless. The first we will observe is US-Mexico relations. Mexico openly demands that the US allow more immigration, and that migrants are not to be treated as criminals (even though illegal immigration is a crime). Why does Mexico so vehemently defend their 7 million (at least) illegal immigrants in the US? The answer is money. Illegal aliens send over $16 billion to Mexico every year, and are Mexico's second largest source of income. Its largest source of income is its oil market, of which the US is a customer, interestingly enough. The problem is, Mexico's oil market reached its peak decades ago, and it is decreasing steadily. This will cause even more economic problems in Mexico, and it is likely that the rate of illegal immigration will only increase.

There are some Mexicans who believe that the Southwestern United States is Mexico's territory. There are many high-ranking officials in Mexico that openly express their intent to and support of literally taking over these Southwestern states. In 1997, the president of Mexico at the time, Ernesto Zedillo declared that "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders." Mario Obledo, founder of the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund, proclaimed, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave. Every constitutional office in California is going to be held by Hispanics in the next 20 years," and that "those who disagree with this should go back to Europe." Mexicans are taught in school that the Southwestern United Sates, what they call "Aztl?n", was taken from Mexico unjustly. A poll in 2002 discovered that the majority of Mexicans believe that Aztl?n is rightfully the property of Mexico, and many are confident that within the next century, the United States will simply give up the land to Mexico. It is clear that a combination of causes, both direct and indirect, create the immigration problem that our country faces today. Mexicans are taught from an early age that certain parts of the United States territory are actually Mexico?s territory. Not only does Mexico gain money directly, but Mexico does not have to support the impoverished people that are forced to find work elsewhere. Our government, with its increasing emphasis on globalization, welcomes this integration and immigration with open arms, deaf to the voices its true citizens.

Some of our nation's most violent felons are illegal aliens. In Los Angeles, for example, 95% of homicide warrants are for illegal aliens. About 2/3 of felony warrants are for illegal aliens. Over 60% of a major (20,000 members) gang in L.A. is illegal aliens. An estimated one million sex crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1999 and 20064. It is hard to track these individuals because they are often not on record, and are able to escape across the border after they commit the crimes. Not only are US citizens affected by crime, but also by the negative economic impact of the aliens. Peter Andreas states, "The sad irony is that the most important constraint on the flow of illegal aliens may be continued economic stagnation in states such as California. In periods of recession, labor markets tighten, reducing employment opportunities--both legal and illegal. Economic recovery, on the other hand--propelled in no small part by the hard work of illegal laborers already here-- would expand opportunities in the labor market, encouraging continued illegal immigration." Illegal immigration cost taxpayers $69 billion and 2 million jobs in 1997 alone. One can only imagine what the numbers are in more recent years. And it would be a nightmare to imagine what the numbers would be in 50 years. Our government is blind to the consequences for the future.

The consequences of illegal immigration, if it does not change, will be dramatic. The growth of the legal population of the US is slowly shrinking. Around 2020, the growth will be at its peak, and will start to decline. By 2020, there will be approximately 70 million illegal aliens in the US. By 2050, there will be 168 million illegal aliens in the US, and the total population will be 404 million7. History provides us with an excellent example of what can happen to a seemingly invincible country whose population becomes outnumbered by immigrants: Rome. Rome fell because it failed to control the immigration, and it was literally defeated from within. The same could happen to the United States, because barely anyone realizes the imminent danger facing this country.
By 2050, the majority of the United State?s population will be of Mexican descent. Our country's culture and language itself will shift. Our schools will teach two languages, and Spanish will be a required language. The majority will vote those into power who benefit them, and Mexico, their true homeland. By then, we might as well just change our country's name to "The United States of Mexico". A century from now, the Southwestern US will be totally overrun by Mexicans, and with a practically non-existent border, Mexico won?t need to annex the territory; it will effectively be theirs.

The negative economic impact of 200 million illegal aliens, who don?t necessarily pay taxes, contribute to crime, obviously don?t have any regard for our laws or our constitution, is an incredible drain on society. True taxpayers will be paying hundreds of billions of dollars to support the hundreds of millions of illegal aliens sucking the life out of our country. Our current economy, which is reeling from an enormous debt, with most of our jobs in China and India and our constitution bastardized, will not be able to survive in 50 years. There will be a massive depression, the greatest in history, and it will be felt around the world.

Our once great country is slowly dying. With capitalism and globalization, people would rather focus on the latest celebrity?s death than actual issues facing our country. No one wants to accept the crisis threatening our way of life, people would rather act like good little sheep and allow the media to brainwash them into believing that we are invincible and everything will turn out fine. Illegal immigration is a virus that is slowly destroying us from the inside out. Rome felt the Barbarian presence, but ignored it until they were outnumbered and overpowered. Rome ended (pardon the clich?) not with a bang, but a pitiful whimper. The US?s current condition mirrors Rome?s before its fall. Even as our constitution is being forgotten, and money is taking precedent over the well-being of our citizens, we must stand strong against the threat that challenges us. If we fail, it will mean the end of a great era and a great country. Perhaps after the United States of America falls, it will be the last time a country ever lets itself be killed by a deadly virus.

ron my problem is that here in utah they just posted in the paper that the cost to educate the children of illegals will be 78 million dollars. taxpayers should not have to foot this bill.

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ron my problem is that here in utah they just posted in the paper that the cost to educate the children of illegals will be 78 million dollars. taxpayers should not have to foot this bill.

78 million to education some people that as long as they're illegal can't hope to find much better jobs here than landscaping and fast food.

ron my problem is that here in utah they just posted in the paper that the cost to educate the children of illegals will be 78 million dollars. taxpayers should not have to foot this bill.

i know what you are saying believe me i was once on the same boat as you. but if you see rather than assuming many mexican children work hard in school to prevent themselves from ending up like their parents. almost 78+% of them strive to do well and do, do very well. id rather spend my tax money on educating people who want to be educated than people who just goes to school to pass time. money we do not need to be spending on is the iraqi war and probably the iran war in the near future.

i know what you are saying believe me i was once on the same boat as you. but if you see rather than assuming many mexican children work hard in school to prevent themselves from ending up like their parents. almost 78+% of them strive to do well and do, do very well. id rather spend my tax money on educating people who want to be educated than people who just goes to school to pass time. money we do not need to be spending on is the iraqi war and probably the iran war in the near future.

It doesn't matter how hard that illegal kid works in school. He/she cannot move up very high in society as an illegal...they'll never be able to pay society back for the cost of their education because they wont be able to do anything but flip burgers, make burritos and mow lawns.

78 million to education some people that as long as they're illegal can't hope to find much better jobs here than landscaping and fast food.

ignorance is bliss isnt it? i have 4 mexican students in my class 3 females and 1 male that are future speech pathologists and occupational therapists. on top of that they speak spanish which will give them a huge signing bonus because they are bilingual. their parents were illegals, although they are not proud of that they are proud and know they are lucky that they get a chance at a good education and have taken full advantage of it.

ignorance is bliss isnt it? i have 4 mexican students in my class 3 females and 1 male that are future speech pathologists and occupational therapists. on top of that they speak spanish which will give them a huge signing bonus because they are bilingual. their parents were illegals, although they are not proud of that they are proud and know they are lucky that they get a chance at a good education and have taken full advantage of it.

They will get deported, they are not legal citizens of this country. It's only a matter of time.

They will get deported, they are not legal citizens of this country. It's only a matter of time.

i think they already have but their children are here to stay. cant deport people who are born on US soil and owe the government over 100k in student loans now can you?

i think they already have but their children are here to stay. cant deport people who are born on US soil and owe the government over 100k in student loans now can you?


You have sympathy for illegals yet show no signs of sympathy for American children who have to suffer because of the illegals that bucked the system. No sympathy for parents who brought themselves and their families here legally only to find they can't get a job because illegals have them. Not to mention the little money that they make gets taxed which goes back to programs to help support illegals.

These people are criminals and need to be treated as such.

sLam, when east germans where climbing over the iron curtain, being shot at by their own goverment, I suppose that you felt it was bad of them to seek a better life in a place where they'd be rewarded for their work. Those evil commy bastards where breaking Stalins laws by seeking a better life in the west, and deserved to be punished right?

Rome defeated from within by illegal immigrants? puh-lease, I've got some land in Florida for you to look at.

There's a LOT of reasons that Rome fell, but I think that the fact that they where in major wars on 3 fronts, aswell as on the edge of the civil war that tore them apart probably had a lot more to do with it than immigrants.

Hmmmmmmmm war on 3 fronts and on edge of civil war. Is this ringing a bell?

We all know that Mexico is a country that is currently ruled by corruption. Instead of fighting for their country, Mexicans choose to flee to the United States (U.S. makes this easy because they aren't enforcing the border laws).

Now lets imagine that Mexico did not border the U.S. Lets say Mexico bordered a country like Iraq, Russia, China, etc. Illegally crossing into those countries would quickly get your ass shot, hung or thrown in jail (ironically much like Mexicans do to people that illegally enter Mexico). So with no option to flee to another country what would Mexicans do then?? Would they fight against the corruption or just curl-up into the fetal position and die?

sLam, when east germans where climbing over the iron curtain, being shot at by their own goverment, I suppose that you felt it was bad of them to seek a better life in a place where they'd be rewarded for their work. Those evil commy bastards where breaking Stalins laws by seeking a better life in the west, and deserved to be punished right?

Rome defeated from within by illegal immigrants? puh-lease, I've got some land in Florida for you to look at.

There's a LOT of reasons that Rome fell, but I think that the fact that they where in major wars on 3 fronts, aswell as on the edge of the civil war that tore them apart probably had a lot more to do with it than immigrants.

Hmmmmmmmm war on 3 fronts and on edge of civil war. Is this ringing a bell?

Germany proposed to help Mexico take back Texas and the southern states. To hell with 'em.

Our government is supposed to be "for the people by the people" but now it just serves the corporations that finance it. It's way past time for a revolution. The majority of Americans including the legal Hispanic population want illegals out of this country.

There are a lot of people that have fled to the U.S. from countries that are in bad shape but they did so legally. They came here, got jobs, & put their children in school. Their kids can work hard and be whatever they want to be....that's the beauty of this country. Illegals are taking away from that beauty by leeching off the very system that supports our ability to do that. They're destroying what makes this country so great and they can careless. What group of people have ever immigrated to the U.S. with absolutely no desire to integrate with American culture & society more than Mexicans? They refuse to learn English, they burn American flags, they raise Mexico flags higher than American flags, they claim they're taking back territory that was once theirs, the majority of the money they earn here they send back to Mexico. These people can CARELESS ABOUT AMERICA...there only here to leech off our system and some of them are even honest enough to admit that.

Please don't make me come up with a no politics rule.... :lmao

Please don't make me come up with a no politics rule.... :lmao

It's been a healthy discussion thus far :lol

It's been a healthy discussion thus far :lol


Sounds like you are pretty passionate about this. What have you done thus far to help the situation...legally? Volunteer anywhere, go to any town hall meetings? Encourage others to vote? Heck.....run for office yourself?

Or, just rant on an internet forum

Please don't make me come up with a no politics rule.... :lmao


please do, nothing worse than politics.

Sounds like you are pretty passionate about this. What have you done thus far to help the situation...legally? Volunteer anywhere, go to any town hall meetings? Encourage others to vote? Heck.....run for office yourself?

Or, just rant on an internet forum

Encourage others to vote for WHO?? Who is willingly to take on the issue of illegal immigration and actually do something about it? I'm curious about how much a citizen can legally do on their own to fight this issue. As a citizen we can put another citizen under "citizen's arrest" if we catch them committing a crime. Can we legally detain illegals? They ARE committing a crime. If I can legally go after and catch and detain illegals then I just found myself a new hobby for the weekends. But I really doubt we can or thousands of rednecks would already be "policing" the border.

please do, nothing worse than politics.

I don't see any point to banning political talk, as long as it stays above the belt and doesn't degrade into a flamewar. Anyone who it annoys or doesn't want to read it.....well, nobody's forcing you to read those threads, are they? :)


If I can legally go after and catch and detain illegals then I just found myself a new hobby for the weekends. But I really doubt we can or thousands of rednecks would already be "policing" the border.

They do. I remember seeing some TV news segment on a group like this, and a quick google for "citizen border patrol" netted this: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/04/citizen-border-patrol-group-to-build.php

I don't see any point to banning political talk, as long as it stays above the belt and doesn't degrade into a flamewar. Anyone who it annoys or doesn't want to read it.....well, nobody's forcing you to read those threads, are they? :)




They do. I remember seeing some TV news segment on a group like this, and a quick google for "citizen border patrol" netted this: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/04/citizen-border-patrol-group-to-build.php

Yeah, I've heard of the Minutemen but I didn't know much about tthem.

HELLO!!! They are here ILLEGALLY!!! IMO they should have zero rights. Do they pay taxes? Shit no!! do they pay for their healthcare? Fuck no!!! I do, we do-US citizens!!! If someone enters the country thru the proper process then so be it-no problem from me. Otherwise I say Screw the whole lot of them!!! Close the borders we are full up...

HELLO!!! They are here ILLEGALLY!!! IMO they should have zero rights. Do they pay taxes? Shit no!! do they pay for their healthcare? Fuck no!!! I do, we do-US citizens!!! If someone enters the country thru the proper process then so be it-no problem from me. Otherwise I say Screw the whole lot of them!!! Close the borders we are full up...agreed. there are quite a few that pay taxes though. the negative is they are useing a citizens ssn. identity theft is a huge problem within the illegal immigrant community. imagine how bad it would suck to have 15 or more different individuals using your number.

Ive read that each illegal costs taxpayers one million dollars over their lifetime . california estimates nine billion per year in tax dollars spent because of the illegals in the form of education , jails, (yes some of the people leaving mexico are criminals in their own country), law enforcement etc. free healthcare free schools and no taxes all for a group of people who have absolutely no loyalty to the USA. the nine billion is only based on what is considered a cost to CA . not what is lost . we or I pay taxes and illegal criminals don't. I'm for a wall made of brick and stone. Illegal aliens are the reason a overnight stay in hospital costs as much as a car (an aspirin does not cost $25 they pass the cost on to people who pay) and also the reason public schools in CA are bankrupt year after year.

Bring our troops home and put them on our own borders.... problem solved!

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you will never stem the flow as long as americans are either apathetic or actually support the influx of illegal aliens.

you will never stem the flow as long as americans are either apathetic or actually support the influx of illegal aliens.

The majority of Americans want illegals gone. Ask Americans that are either apathetic or support the influx of illegal aliens this question:

Are you willing to personally foot the bill to educate and provide health care for an illegal person & child?

If they're honest they'll answer with "NO". They say they support illegals but they don't want to make that big of a sacrifice. Yet they expect all Americans to foot the bill...that's pretty hypocritical. :nono

Bring our troops home and put them on our own borders.... problem solved!

:)

Bush sent the National Guard to the border but guess what...they're under a "No Fire" order. The Guard has been shot at and at times chased by Mexican drug runners. That's make a lot of sense! Send troops to the border but tell them they can't fight back.

agreed. there are quite a few that pay taxes though. the negative is they are useing a citizens ssn. identity theft is a huge problem within the illegal immigrant community. imagine how bad it would suck to have 15 or more different individuals using your number.

Did you know that things are so fcuked up that illegals can actually walk into a social security office and get their own ssn?

www.ilrc.org/vawamemo.html :mad

personally i dont support illegal immigration in any way shape or form. i cant stand that my tax $ and this countrys resources support them in any way shape or form regardless of where they come from. many americans SAY they want them gone but continue to support companies that hire them. many companies turn a blind eye to them to raise their own profit margin. as for the national guard soldiers situation, it is total bullshit. although people say they want the illegal immigration problem stopped most dont have the intestinal fortitude to allow the soldiers to shoot back. they cant stomach the thought of someone being killed. if it is a soldier they figure oh well you signed up for it, if it was an illegal alien then the public outcry would be enormus. look at the 2 border patrol agents that were just sentanced to prison for shooting one of the assholes. patheticThe majority of Americans want illegals gone. Ask Americans that are either apathetic or support the influx of illegal aliens this question:

Are you willing to personally foot the bill to educate and provide health care for an illegal person & child?

If they're honest they'll answer with "NO". They say they support illegals but they don't want to make that big of a sacrifice. Yet they expect all Americans to foot the bill...that's pretty hypocritical. :nono



Bush sent the National Guard to the border but guess what...they're under a "No Fire" order. The Guard has been shot at and at times chased by Mexican drug runners. That's make a lot of sense! Send troops to the border but tell them they can't fight back.



Did you know that things are so fcuked up that illegals can actually walk into a social security office and get their own ssn?

www.ilrc.org/vawamemo.html (http://www.ilrc.org/vawamemo.html) :mad

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/30/AR2005103000822.html

I'm so glad that they're looking out for you guys :rolleyes

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/30/AR2005103000822.html

I'm so glad that they're looking out for you guys :rolleyeshahaha nice.

:lol no fucking canadian in their right mind would run down here. i think there is more people heading north than people heading south.

do they give scratchback americans benefits up there? maybe i should come haha