Has anyone here bought a pc with vista and went back to xp? How should I go about doing this? Or is it too much of a hassle and I should just stick with it?

XP cannot install to a Vista formatted volume due to minor changes in the
implementation of NTFS, so what you will need is a clean install. First,
you'll need a full version disk of XP with Product Key, then boot the system
with the CD and start setup. At the point where you choose the installation
location, delete the existing system partition/volume. Then create a new one
from the free space, format it (quick format is ok here), and proceed to
install. Some caveats:

a) All data and programs that currently exist on the drive will be erased by
the above actions. Backup data to removable media (do not use Vista's backup
program, just copy data). Programs will need to be reinstalled from their
original installation media - something you may not have with a preinstalled
system.

b) the manufacturer will likely not support the machine in this state without downgrade
rights, and you should also check that they can supply supporting drivers
for all the hardware under XP as some of it may not be native to an XP
retail disk. The manufacturer will likely require you to put Vista back on for any
warranty service. You may want to check with manufacturer to see if downgrade rights
are available to you as this would allow you to obtain an XP disk from them
that supports the machine's hardware and not invalidate the warranty.

it's a toshiba and it's brand new so nothing important is on there

Why do you want to remove Vista?

It's really a great OS, once you learn it and get things setup properly.

What is the issue?

rm -Rf /dev/hda1 ? Oh wait, nevermind. ;P

Once I learnt all the nuances of Vista I actually found it quite good to use. I write software for a living so I'm fairly particular about my OS.

If you're going to go back to XP though, do as was suggested above and do a complete format, re-install. These upgrade, downgrades or crossgrades are bad news.

GL! :)

Why do you want to remove Vista?

It's really a great OS, once you learn it and get things setup properly.

What is the issue?

things are just too slow even with 2 gb of ram, xp was a lot faster with only 512mb ram. That's my issue with it

I really dont mind Vista, I have it on one of my desktops at home. The only reason i use it though is to test out my software after coding changes. It is a resource hog but I don't feel it that much because it is on a pretty powerful pc..


Check this out as well. It may be your ticket out of Vista..

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/09/microsoft-reveals-windows-vista-sp1-will-install-xp.html

Check this out as well. It may be your ticket out of Vista..

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/09/microsoft-reveals-windows-vista-sp1-will-install-xp.html

oh great, vista just came out not too long ago and now they're getting ready for Windows 7? :whiteflag

things are just too slow even with 2 gb of ram, xp was a lot faster with only 512mb ram. That's my issue with it

I see, what version are you running? You can go in and shut down the fancy areo interface and some other Vista extras that will make it run much better and more like XP. This would be a lot easier then installing xp.

They say once you do this is runs great on lesser machines. I'm running it on a new machine I built with 4gb of ram and a q6700 quad core processor so I guess that's why I have had such good luck with it.

Here are some optimization tips for vista


Disable Windows sidebar. Well known to take processing power.
Disable on-screen mouse. Learn how to use the mouse without the on-screen version. Saves memory and processing power.
Disable indexing. This tends to keep the disk working overtime. Highly recommended.
Reduce screen candy. Go to Performance Settings and change the setting to "Adjust for best performance" and then re-enable visual styles.
Disable Windows Defender. Its a security hit but personally, I think its worth it.
Get all current Windows updates and then turn off auto update download (switch to notification only.)
Disable anti-phising filter in IE7. This is a killer.
Switch to 16-bit screen. I always use 16 bit if I remember. It saves a lot of screen memory and if you're browsing, you rarely notice it.
Optimize your power settings. If you need performance, make sure your CPU is free to run up to full speed. Max battery settings tend to lock the CPU down to lower speeds. (600Mhz on a Pentium-M, 400Mhz on a Via C7-M)
Pre-fetch/Super-fetch hacks. This is a tip from Origamiproject forums. I have tried it and I liked it! See here for more info. (http://origamiproject.com/forums/thread/19843.aspx)
Test out readyboost. Its not one I can recommend personally as I've never tried it and I've also seen reports of people trying it out and seeing no benefit. You need to test it out.
Consider disabling handwriting learning. Its a service that takes memory and processing power.
Remove background tasks. As you install software you'll always get a build up of unwanted services and processes. Real, Logitech, Adobe and all anti virus packages put software in the background that at the minimum take memory but in the worst case take CPU and Internet bandwidth. If you're on a limited 3G plan, the last thing you want is Firefox downloading 2MB of program file in the background. There are tools around to clean these processes up so its advised to use them.
[added 29th Oct 2007] Disable the touch input panel on-screen tab (left or right of the screen) as this can interfere with Video performance.

I really dont mind Vista, I have it on one of my desktops at home. The only reason i use it though is to test out my software after coding changes. It is a resource hog but I don't feel it that much because it is on a pretty powerful pc..


Check this out as well. It may be your ticket out of Vista..

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/09/microsoft-reveals-windows-vista-sp1-will-install-xp.html




That was so good I have to paste it... :lol

Redmond, WA – In response to customer demands Microsoft (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/09/microsoft-reveals-windows-vista-sp1-will-install-xp.html#) announced that instead of patching bugs and improving features of Windows Vista in the next service pack release, they would just install XP.
"We're focused on giving the customer what they want, and want they want is to just go back to XP," said Microsoft Development Chief Greg Elston.
Elston said not only will the move improve customer satisfaction with Vista, but will allow the company to focus resources on the next operating system (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/09/microsoft-reveals-windows-vista-sp1-will-install-xp.html#) instead of the flailing Vista. "We can move people off of Vista development now, and move them to Windows 7 development," said Elston. "That should allow us to only delay Windows 7 by thirteen months past its scheduled date instead of the planned eighteen."
Customers have had many complaints about Vista, so it wasn't surprising the response to the move was mostly positive. "Ever since I install Vista I've wanted to go back to XP," said Trey Sportia. "I'm glad Microsoft has given me an easy downgrade path."
Some customers complained about paying for Vista when all they'll end up with is XP which they had already. Elston said that "if people read the license agreement they'll see this is perfectly within our rights. Anyway, we're calling it Vista XP, so it is new in a way."
Elston also added that if people complain too much they'll just revert to Windows ME.

rm -Rf /dev/hda1 ? Oh wait, nevermind. ;P

heheheh. :lol how about `cat /dev/random > /dev/hda1` if you wanna cause havoc :evil

Here are some optimization tips for vista

cool, thanks man, I'll try them out and see if it'll run faster :thumbup

I just did the "Adjust for best performance" option on the visual display.... It turned this into XP :lmao Looks just like it... and run much faster as well, give that one a try by itself.... I'm sure it will be enough.

I love Vista, have it both on my desktop and laptop ;)

I however did play with the OS for two weeks before I figured out what worked best, and still learning.

I'm still on XP, so I don't have this problem :lmao

heheheh. :lol how about `cat /dev/random > /dev/hda1` if you wanna cause havoc :evil

lol, I was going to put that down originally, but thought no one would get it.

BEST WAY TO REMOVE ANY OS IN YOUR PC

1. Power down the PC;

2. Unplug everything attached to the PC;

3. Open the window, recommended on the highest possible floor;

4. Count 1-2-3 and toss it right out the window.

Voila and you're done.

:shagz

BEST WAY TO REMOVE ANY OS IN YOUR PC

1. Power down the PC;

2. Unplug everything attached to the PC;

3. Open the window, recommended on the highest possible floor;

4. Count 1-2-3 and toss it right out the window.

Voila and you're done.

:shagz


Why throw out a perfectly good computer, when it is just as easy to throw yourself out the window :crash


BTW Kenshin, this is just a joke don't do it bro........:r1lover

BTW Kenshin, this is just a joke don't do it bro........:r1lover


I wasn't joking. Don't listen to Biga, he doesn't know much about PC.

I wasn't joking. Don't listen to Biga, he doesn't know much about PC.




:muahaha Alright do it JUMP:rofl

:muahaha Alright do it JUMP:rofl

OMG you guys are funny.

If your gonna jump, have a friend take video for youtube

Why throw out a perfectly good computer, when it is just as easy to throw yourself out the window :crash


BTW Kenshin, this is just a joke don't do it bro........:r1lover

Don't worry, I'll let Val try it first then we'll go from there :lmao

So what are your results after trying those tips?

So what are your results after trying those tips?

haven't got to it yet, I'll try them tomorrow

heheheh. :lol how about `cat /dev/random > /dev/hda1` if you wanna cause havoc :evil



Only wipes out the first partition. ;)


dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/[hs]d[abcd] bs=1024 count=10 will wipe out all partition info on all attached drives (except if known by another device name such as /dev/cciss/c0d0 on HP x86 servers) :mock

Only wipes out the first partition. ;)


dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/[hs]d[abcd] bs=1024 count=10 will wipe out all partition info on all attached drives (except if known by another device name such as /dev/cciss/c0d0 on HP x86 servers) :mock

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01001011011001010110111001110011011010000110100101 10111000100000011010010111001100100000011000010010 00000110011101101001011100100110110000101100001000 00011000010010000001110111011001010110110001101100 01111001001000000111010101100111011011000111100100 10000001101111011011100110010100100000011101000110 11110110111100101110001000000100100101101110001000 00010000010111001101101001011000010010110000100000 01110111011001010010000001100011011000010110110001 10110000100000011101000110100001100101011011010010 00000111000001101111011100100110101101100011011010 0001101111011100000111001100101110 :secret

^ That might just work :crash

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01001001001000000111001101101000011011110111010101 10110001100100001000000110001101101000011000010110 11100110011101100101001000000110100001101001011100 11001000000111010101110011011001010111001001101110 01100001011011010110010100100000011101000110111100 10000000100010010100000110111101110010011010110110 00110110100001101111011100000010001000100000011000 01011011100110010000100000010010010010000001110011 01101000011011110111010101101100011001000010000001 10011101101001011101100110010100100000011010000110 10010110110100100000011101000110100001100101001000 00010101000110010101100001011011010010000001010010 01100001011010010110111001100010011011110111011100 10000001110100011000010110011100100000011000010111 01000010000001110100011010000110010100100000011100 11011000010110110101100101001000000111010001101001 01101101011001010010111000100000010010000110010100 10011101110011001000000111000001110010011011110110 00100110000101100010011011000111100100100000011101 00011010000110010100100000011101010110011101101100 01101001011001010111001101110100001000000110010001 11001001100001011001110111000101110101011001010110 01010110111000100000011001010111011001100101011100 10001000000110010101111000011010010111001101110100 011001010110010000101110 :secret

:lmao

:secret

01001001001000000110100001100001011101000110010100 100 :fawkdance



:lmao

01010111011010000110000101110100001001110111001100 10000001110011011011110010000001100110011101010110 11100110111001111001001000000110001001101001011100 110110100000111111 :warning

Only wipes out the first partition. ;)


dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/[hs]d[abcd] bs=1024 count=10 will wipe out all partition info on all attached drives (except if known by another device name such as /dev/cciss/c0d0 on HP x86 servers) :mock

Heheheheheh. Yeah, I was going for quick and dirty. Good to see a few other penguinheads around, though. :mrgreen

format your hard drive and visit:

debian.org
archlinux.org
fedoraproject.org
ubuntu.org
en.opensuse.org

Good luck. :)

Heheheheheh. Yeah, I was going for quick and dirty. Good to see a few other penguinheads around, though. :mrgreen


Well, technically, I work on all *NIXes:

HP-UX
Solaris
AIX
Tru-64
*BSD
SCO
Linux (RHEL, Slackware, SuSe, CentOS, etc)

Been using Linux for a number of years, and a big advocate for it. However, it's far from perfect, and the more I work on it, the more I see it still isn't quite ready for prime-time in large corporate environments.

:threadjacked

Well, technically, I work on all *NIXes:

HP-UX
Solaris
AIX
Tru-64
*BSD
SCO
Linux (RHEL, Slackware, SuSe, CentOS, etc)

Likewise.

HP-UX
Solaris
*BSD
Linux ....primarily Debian, but we've got RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, SuSe in the mix around here as well.


Been using Linux for a number of years, and a big advocate for it. However, it's far from perfect, and the more I work on it, the more I see it still isn't quite ready for prime-time in large corporate environments.

Personally, I'd qualify this statement with "isn't quite ready for prime-time in large corporate environments on the desktop."

:threadjacked

Likewise.

HP-UX
Solaris
*BSD
Linux ....primarily Debian, but we've got RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu, SuSe in the mix around here as well.

Most large companies that I contract with only go with the big ones: RHEL and SuSe. Primarily RHEL due to support issues. Most places that go with Debian based, Fedora, CentOS and others are smaller shops such as ISP's, and those that don't have big budgets for support agreements.

Personally, I'd qualify this statement with "isn't quite ready for prime-time in large corporate environments on the desktop."

No, seriously, there are places it doesn't belong quite yet in Enterprise environments. I've run across issues with large scaling SAN problems, patch management (although RHEL5 has mostly fixed my gripes about that), and various other software problems. Basic file and http servers, along with security based devices are no problem. Large scaled app servers and such, no fucking way in hell.

As to the desktop, hell no would I support that environment again. did it at my last contract and I spent 90% of my time support dipshit users.

nei tei chan hai mou yeh chou ah sheesh...

and here I was about to ask what operating systems are out there... preferably
free ones :D

i wish i had the patients to learn linux, i already spent too much time tinkering with OSX after dropping M$. i am very happy with OSX.

well, I tried those quick fixes R1Lover and they helped a lot, but still not as good as XP :(

Has anyone here bought a pc with vista and went back to xp? How should I go about doing this? Or is it too much of a hassle and I should just stick with it?


oh no . . . 1st brakes . . . now operating systems :laugh

oh no . . . 1st brakes . . . now operating systems :laugh
:lmao :lmao Poor Tony

best was to increase Vista performance . . . install it on a Mac :jiggy

Best way to quiet a Mac user? Show them that they overpaid for PC hardware, especially considering that they could've gotten a stable and secure computing environment loaded on their current system with a cost of $0.00 :mock

Best way to quiet a Mac user? Show them that they overpaid for PC hardware, especially considering that they could've gotten a stable and secure computing environment loaded on their current system with a cost of $0.00 :mock


I couldn't help myself . . . my bad :rofl

I couldn't help myself . . . my bad :rofl
:rofl