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sLam
11-05-2007, 05:37 AM
PHILADELPHIA ? In a rare rebuke, a bar association has criticized a judge for refusing to uphold sexual assault charges against a man accused of letting friends rape a prostitute he had hired. The judge said she considered the case "theft of services."

Municipal Judge Teresa Carr Deni heightened the furor when she defended her decision to a newspaper. "She consented and she didn't get paid," Deni told the Philadelphia Daily News. "I thought it was a robbery."

Deni also told the newspaper that the case "minimizes true rape cases and demeans women who are really raped."

Dominique Gindraw was accused of ordering the accuser at gunpoint to have sex with three men, but Deni dismissed the rape and sexual assault charges Oct. 4. She upheld conspiracy, robbery, false imprisonment and other charges against Gindraw.

The chancellor of the Philadelphia Bar Association issued a statement Tuesday that questioned Deni's understanding of state law.

"The victim has been brutalized twice in this case: first by the assailants, and now by the court," Chancellor Jane Leslie Dalton wrote. "We cannot imagine any circumstances more violent or coercive than being forced to have sex with four men at gunpoint."

Carol Tracy, executive director of the Philadelphia-based Women's Law Project, called Deni's comments "a throwback to the Middle Ages, when rape was a crime against property, not against a person."

The 20-year-old woman, a single mother, testified that she worked for an escort service that advertised through the Web site Craigslist.

She went to a North Philadelphia home Sept. 20 to meet Gindraw, who had agreed to pay her $150 for sex. He then said that a friend was coming with the money and that the friend would pay her another $100 to perform sex acts.

Instead, three other men arrived, and Gindraw pulled a gun and ordered the woman to have sex with all of them, she testified.

"He said that I'm going to do this for free, and I'm not going nowhere, and I better cooperate or he was going to kill me," she testified at a preliminary hearing.

Gindraw also took her cell phone and a purse containing pepper spray, she said.

The other men have not been identified or charged.

"Even though the woman is a prostitute, it doesn't mean she couldn't be a victim," Dalton said Wednesday. "Once she says 'No, it's not OK,' then to have sex with her is rape."

A bar association committee recently gave Deni high marks and recommended that voters support her in a Nov. 6 judicial retention election.

Deni, who makes $148,596 a year, did not immediately return a phone message left at her office Wednesday. Her lawyer, George Bochetto, said Deni called Dalton's statement that the victim was brutalized twice "regrettable."

"The transcript doesn't necessarily tell the whole story," Bochetto said. He said Deni also considers a witness' tone of voice, demeanor and other factors in her rulings.

Prosecutor Richard DeSipio and Gindraw's public defender, Susan Lin, did not return messages left Wednesday seeking comment.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307245,00.html

:hump

KWComp
11-05-2007, 05:44 AM
What the hell....this is a no win for either party.

sLam
11-05-2007, 05:45 AM
What the hell....this is a no win for either party.

true, but do you consider it "rape" or "shoplifting"? :lol

KWComp
11-05-2007, 06:22 AM
Well....technically, I guess I would call it armed robbery. But I can see some repercussions from the case going through that way so part of me wants to still call it Rape. Prostitute or not, still a person and I am guessing any professional mental barriers she had built up probably went out the window when the gun came out.

Kmac
11-05-2007, 06:30 AM
That judge is full of shit. She only consented to 2 of them paying her to have sex. When the gun came out and they said she was going to do it with additional customers for no pay, it became rape for ALL of them.

2wheelferrum07
11-05-2007, 07:43 AM
:imwst consensual sex is when two parties agree to have it and when you are forcing the other then it is rape no matter which way you look at it, am sure it will go to another court if she is smart that is. my .02

That judge is full of shit. She only consented to 2 of them paying her to have sex. When the gun came out and they said she was going to do it with additional customers for no pay, it became rape for ALL of them.

KenshinR1
11-05-2007, 07:48 AM
It's still rape

gsxcorey
11-05-2007, 08:20 AM
rape for sure, but it seems there are a lot of idiots in this case.

Kmac
11-05-2007, 08:23 AM
there are a lot of idiots in this case.

that's a common denominator with 95% of crime.

yokedup05
11-05-2007, 09:01 AM
hard up?

Junior
11-05-2007, 09:29 AM
Prostitute or not, still a person and I am guessing any professional mental barriers she had built up probably went out the window when the gun came out.

:imwst

!Ron
11-05-2007, 09:33 AM
theft of service only cause it sounds funny.

KneeDragginJay
11-05-2007, 09:39 AM
150 for sex.... the man was raped

!Ron
11-05-2007, 01:10 PM
150 for sex.... the man was raped

what are you talking about, a gf is way more expensive. :mrgreen

KneeDragginJay
11-05-2007, 01:44 PM
true..but i pay like 3 times a year,birthday included and get to nail her whenever i want...if you add up bjs,tugs,and all the goodstuff its like 3.8 million dollars a year. hahahaha

!Ron
11-05-2007, 02:02 PM
true..but i pay like 3 times a year,birthday included and get to nail her whenever i want...if you add up bjs,tugs,and all the goodstuff its like 3.8 million dollars a year. hahahaha

then you are lucky. cause there are those gfs that require food and so on, that amounts to some serious dough. besides like costco hos have discounts too. :muahaha

rinn
11-05-2007, 02:31 PM
That judge is full of shit. She only consented to 2 of them paying her to have sex. When the gun came out and they said she was going to do it with additional customers for no pay, it became rape for ALL of them.

and kidnapping when you hold someone at gun point and won't let them leave :yes

babyit11
11-05-2007, 03:47 PM
:no

thats fucked up.

i don't care if she is a prostitute, if she said no its no.
its sad......