looks like an old Vmax4 mill with price jugs on her to me. Pretty impressive for a motor that was brought out in 1992 tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpoEjY7KDdo

the last one (quadzilla2) broke the record last year by hitting 283kph in 2000' (176mph for the yanks.) that was no nitrous, and that motor made less power naturally aspirated.

Unfortunatly it spat out a track at about 275 and was a total write off. I'm interested to see what this thing will spit.

Seriously tho, any engine that weighs less than 100lbs and will spit 383hp naturally aspirated has got my respect. And under 10,000rpm at that.

Impressive


Ride safe.

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kinda reminds me of some of the numbers the genesis engines kick out...mmmm....dial-domes:drool

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kinda reminds me of some of the numbers the genesis engines kick out...mmmm....dial-domes:drool

you betcha, they set the world on fire.

Got a phonecall today that there was a record broken for 1000' trap speed in the last 48 hours, who wants to bet that this thing is responsible.

Bah! Not impressive at all, I've seen smaller engine from the 1930s that produce more power than that.

































































































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Bah! Not impressive at all, I've seen smaller engine from the 1930s that produce more power than that.


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you betcha, they set the world on fire.

Got a phonecall today that there was a record broken for 1000' trap speed in the last 48 hours, who wants to bet that this thing is responsible.
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i wanna see the sled this motor resides in:fact

i remember the first time i saw one of the genesis engines in a sled...and i remember being amazed at the amount of fabrication and modifications that were required to run a 300+ horse sled...im talking 1 off bulkheads:drool

gotta love the 2-stroke:notworthy

ya those genesis motors had a way of making even very strong chassis fold up like a flag in the wind. I used to have video somewhere of a polaris storm coming off the line with one and I swear to god the chassis deflected 30* where the bulkhead meets the tunnel. Wild stuff.

And this thing makes the Genesis look like a tonka toy.

:lmao it does:fact

i wish i was rich :sad

i would like to find the numbers of a genesis engine on nitrous tho...but i think this motor would probably crank out more just because of the 4-cylinder 2-stroke platform

well the fact that it made 384 all motor just blows me away, especially since it's tuned for nitous. faaaaaaaaaack that's much jam. Especially given the RPM it turned it at.

Damn!!!

id like to see them add a turbo setup to that bish...theyd have to turn down the compression quite a bit id imagine but add a bit of alchol injection and omg...:notworthy

yea there's a lot of big twin turbo's starting to turn up. I saw a mountain cat 1000 with a turbo, under 400lbs the other day, gotta make a pretty effective mountain chassis, even if it doesn't make as much with the turbo as this monster does all motor.

I gotta think tho that with the appropriate supercharger they could have their 530 on tap all the time, not just on the squeeze. I thiink that the builder is more into building all motor power than throwing in power adders tho.

its quite a bit more impressive in my eyes to see big power thats truely all motor and no external power adders...that includes nitrous as well. of course superchargers nitrous and turbos are very badass to me too:fact. i wonder tho...since superchargers are designed mainly to help out down low, and most sled clutches dont engage till about 7k; wouldnt it make more sense to run a turbo setup for more top-end power? of course the power would be basically instant with the supercharger. then again, ive never rode a turbo sled so i cant really say what it be like with the lag issue. if its even present at all...

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actually the lag is a big deal on turbo sleds, they're pulling air over but you're not building boost until you've added throttle, really a 2-step or something would be needed to eliminate it. They lag real bad. I'd go with an SC set-up if I was doing it, but I hate turbo's.

Seriously tho, to me, that most impressive part of that vid wasn't the 530 on intro, it was that it made very close to 400hp all motor.

i kinda figured that the lag issue was there. damned near 400hp is very impressive for a car...:fact

actually i always wanted to build a motor like that and throw it into a geo metro...i think it'd be sweet to see a bunch of pipes coming out of the fender or something and pulling up next to that thing at a light or on a track would really throw ya off being a two stroke:lol

actually i always wanted to build a motor like that and throw it into a geo metro...i think it'd be sweet to see a bunch of pipes coming out of the fender or something and pulling up next to that thing at a light or on a track would really throw ya off being a two stroke:lol

LOL they'd have no idea what that sound was. a VW bug would be a good choice I think.

:lolhell any real little bitty car would work...has to be light enough for the torque of the motor to really push it tho...would most definetly be a crazy ass ride tho:fact i remember reading in a magazine a few years back that there was a driveing school somewhere that was using srx 700 engines in a nascar type car...i guess they went along pretty good actually...i cant imagine the engines were anywhere near stock but well ya know:D

i remember reading in a magazine a few years back that there was a driveing school somewhere that was using srx 700 engines in a nascar type car...i guess they went along pretty good actually...i cant imagine the engines were anywhere near stock but well ya know:D

ya Tim Bender was running it, SRX motor's aren't THAT shy on tq tho, stock they're pushing 96 ft*lbs I believe? I mean it's not a lot for a car but it's not terribly enemic either.

hmm...ive been outta the game for far too long i think...i used to be so into this stuff and now i just dont seem to really stay on top of everything thats going on out there anymore...damnit:banghead

ya tell me about it man. Ever since the hyper triple hp wars ended I kinda lost interest.

thats what basically happened for me...

i love the
700 srx
800 ZRT
1000 t-cat black with the lightning on the hood
mach-z 800

those were my dream sleds forever, and still are

i do really like the newest mach z rev tho...actually the mxz x 800 rev is awesome and so is the f7 but when the zr 900 replaced the t-cat that was the begining of the end of our lake racers

i do really like the newest mach z rev tho...actually the mxz x 800 rev is awesome and so is the f7 but when the zr 900 replaced the t-cat that was the begining of the end of our lake racers

ya that was definitely the beginning of the end.

The trend of "high performance twins" was where it started to fall apart, light is good but enemic, and doesn't have the big deep belly to find more power in that the old triples did. It used to be common to be able to find 40-50% more power in an engine. These days you're lucky if you can find 10%

That plus I find all the new sleds have chassis that's as loose as a bancock whore. Flip it into a corner and pray it doesn't toss roll, whereas the old ones it was lean in and gas it up. big gnarly 1 ski lifted slides, pushing both ends off the corners. I just haven't found a "rider forward" chassis that's capable of that kind of riding.

Maybe I'm just an old fart that aughta be bitching about how drum brakes are superior tho, who knows.

I don't like the rider foward position either, imo those sleds are slower in any corners. I also miss the sound and feelings of the triples, but the thruth is, cc for cc, the twins are faster, they are lighter and have better torque and powerband, plus they handle better. The triple had a bit more on tops, but it was always too late, the twins were already gone. The SRX 700 was an exception, it was crazy fast everywhere and the handling was close to perfect. I'd buy one just for the sound and top end runs. Right now i'm learning to ride a 4 strokes (attak GT), very different, fun as hell and it pulls like a freight train!! Last sunday i race an XCR 800 with pipes on a lake. My god the sound of that thing, awesome and scary!!! I beat him everytime, i was pulling on him from 0-90mph, on top speed we were neck to neck most of the time but on one run where he was slowly pulling on me, there was a bit more snow where we did that run.

not to rain on your parade man, but odds are that if you where pulling on him, there was something deadly wrong with his sled. Or he's one of these guys that ports and pipes, but doesn't clutch, and goes slower. 'cause even stock for stock I've got dyno curves that show pretty clearly that the XCR's got more on tap than the attak does.

I agree tho, I'm sad for the triples being gone, especially the sound. I think those days are over tho, everyone these days wants rider forward dirtbikes to pound the moguls with, the desire to be sliding both ends coming off a corner at 100mph just isn't there anymore. Not enough for the manufacturers to cater to it anyways.

Anyhow, I'm out for the day guys, I'm goin riding.

I dont think its so much what everyone wants, its what conditions dictate. I mean lets face it the trails are rough, yeah on a silky smooth and groomed trail, you cant beat the sports car like handling of an SRX or Viper. But how often are the trails really in that condition. For the typical wooped out, bumpy trail, I ll take a REV 600HO or one of the newer Yamis like the Phazer or Attack.

well where you are maybe, up north there's well groomed trails all over.

when i hit the trails around northern wisconsin the trails are very very nice...the only time they seem to even show any wear is towards the end of the season, and by that time it doesnt matter since your happy to still be allowed to ride. i still love hanging off the side of an older zr or mxz...shit when i think of sleds i imagine flying thru corners with one ski off the ground...that is and will always be real sledding:fact

yea sliding both ends thru a glass flat corner with 1 ski in the air is where it's at in my book.

BUT... to each his own,some guys like hammering it thru the whoops.

seriously tho, I've been going over dyno data, the modern 1000 twins are seriously something not to be f*cked with. 200hp with bolt ons no problem, the F1000 is damned near 190 stock.

not to rain on your parade man, but odds are that if you where pulling on him, there was something deadly wrong with his sled. Or he's one of these guys that ports and pipes, but doesn't clutch, and goes slower. 'cause even stock for stock I've got dyno curves that show pretty clearly that the XCR's got more on tap than the attak does.

I agree tho, I'm sad for the triples being gone, especially the sound. I think those days are over tho, everyone these days wants rider forward dirtbikes to pound the moguls with, the desire to be sliding both ends coming off a corner at 100mph just isn't there anymore. Not enough for the manufacturers to cater to it anyways.

Anyhow, I'm out for the day guys, I'm goin riding.

Weird because at the drag the XCR 800 are nothing special (but they are good on top speed), and to beat a Apex/attack it takes a very good F7 or a MachZ. You said that the F1000 were close to 190hp?? From what i know they are at 165hp, and slower than the Firecat F7. Did they change that much in 2008??

Or course, all these sleds can be modified so......

XCR800 never had a problem with hp, weight was the issue. They always did well in the IS classes as a testiment to that.

I just re-checked the dyno curves, 168 stock for the F1000, 176 with "free" mods, with reeds and that D&D Y-pipe, over 180.

The Apex is 148 and the RX-1 was 136, for reference.

the most I've seen from a pump gas forced induction yamaha is 240, and actually there's a pump gas SX600 with an aerodyne turbo that was within 2hp of it. Gnarly stuff considering that's 10 years ago, amazing that they didn't sell the sh*t out of that kit back then, given how the turbo's are selling now.

I like that cat, deep deep belly in that thing, but I was racing when the F7's first came out, I don't think I'd actually want to own one. All sleds have their problems I know, but I was there firsthand when the F7's where spitting out suspension rails and getting 400km to an engine. .

For an outright hp sled, I'd probably get into a Mach, 180 bone stock, 185 if you can get your hands on one with high altitude maps. There's talk of 200hp with just decompression plugs, altho I've not seen any reliable dyno data to prove that. I've seen 200hp with reeds and a can tho.

The cat is a bit lighter, but 200hp at 8000rpm is pretty bad-ass in my books.

The new mach z is fcking insane to me...i saw one last year for sale at the local dealership and was offered a chance to ride it but we had to wait for better conditions which never came:rant...they sit nice...low and mean:fact