Let the religious wars begin! :mock Just kidding.

Seriously though, I stopped in at my mechanics on Saturday for a chat and to get him to order me some Super Corsa IIIs (I really don't like Pilot Powers).

He told me instead to get some Bridgestones BT-021 RS (might have been 002s but he said they were only just released). He said for hard street riding and some track days they are perfect.

This guy runs a few race teams and has *never* let me down with any info he has ever given me, but I ran Bridgestones a few years back and found them to be shockers. Always sliding and letting go under pressure.

Has anyone tried these tyres on an R1, and were they any good? From the pictures he showed me they appeared to be a semi slick tyre just like the SC3s.

Get BridgeStones, Rossi likes them, so therefore so should you :r1lover

my next will be corsa 3 , had pirellis before the pp and liked em.

I tried both Michelin and Metzler, although Metzler M1 seems to wear out quite fast, but pretty sticky for the price. My friend is on Bridgestone and he likes them.

:)

friend is on Bridgestone and he likes them.

It's Rossi, right?!

It's Rossi, right?!

No, it's Stoner... :kicknuts :lol

ive been running 2cts, but thinking this coming change ill go wih the metzelers m3's :rock

i have use the Pilot powers

For me the PP have been the best I have used over the years. I only ride on the street so there is no track days to worry about.

B'stones....love em.

PP are nice on the trackdays. Pirelli has a new street tire out check out there website.

i have just a regular diablo on my bike now. It has over 3000 miles on it and still has plenty of life left. Sticks plenty good for agresive street riding but i would not want to do a track day on them but for the street ill buy the same tire again next time

Let the religious wars begin! :mock Just kidding.

Seriously though, I stopped in at my mechanics on Saturday for a chat and to get him to order me some Super Corsa IIIs (I really don't like Pilot Powers).

He told me instead to get some Bridgestones BT-021 RS (might have been 002s but he said they were only just released). He said for hard street riding and some track days they are perfect.

This guy runs a few race teams and has *never* let me down with any info he has ever given me, but I ran Bridgestones a few years back and found them to be shockers. Always sliding and letting go under pressure.

Has anyone tried these tyres on an R1, and were they any good? From the pictures he showed me they appeared to be a semi slick tyre just like the SC3s.

Let's back the truck up for a minute. Your mixing names of Brands & Models which is very confusing. Your right to not care for the PP's. It is bar none the worst wearing street tire manufactured in the last 4 years.

The first thing you need to decide is what type of riding you plan to do with the tire. Then we can start to narrow down what brand and model would suite you the best.

Ride safe.

love diablo

have pp

Your right to not care for the PP's. It is bar none the worst wearing street tire manufactured in the last 4 years.

The first thing you need to decide is what type of riding you plan to do with the tire. Then we can start to narrow down what brand and model would suite you the best.

Ride safe.

My experience with PP's are the opposite. I have 4500+ miles and one track day on my current stock pp's and have half the tread left and yes they are pretty evenly worn on the sides as well as the top.
I'm thinking it is very dependent on where you live as much as the type of riding you do that dictate what tires work best for your needs. Different parts of the country use different material types in the asphalt, as well as temperature , oil on the roadways and rain.
IMO thats why you have people that love/hate certain brands because of the differing environments.
my .02

My experience with PP's are the opposite. I have 4500+ miles and one track day on my current stock pp's and have half the tread left and yes they are pretty evenly worn on the sides as well as the top.
I'm thinking it is very dependent on where you live as much as the type of riding you do that dictate what tires work best for your needs. Different parts of the country use different material types in the asphalt, as well as temperature , oil on the roadways and rain.
IMO thats why you have people that love/hate certain brands because of the differing environments.
my .02

Don't take this wrong, but mileage does not mean much to me since generally speaking similar compounds wear the same between brands. Also running a high PSI will result in added mileage. I have seen guys get that kind of mileage out of a DOT race tire by running 42PSI in the tire.

There are a few people out there that swear on the PP's that they are the greatest tire every built. Unfortunately, this is greatly due to a lack of knowledge or experience with the tire industry on a larger scale. My statement of the PP is not merely my opinion as I see more PP failures than any other tire manufactured at this time.

I have no doubt that there are a few good sets that have hit the streets but this is not the norm. The PP is a freak tire which must me ran at 38PSI since it has much silica in it so temperature, (track or ambient) has no impact, this also is the same with bike, weight, track or street surface.

I have seen many failures with PP's and actually it is rare to find one that does not have some type of defect on it. Some have as little as 500 miles on them.

Here are a few pics of failures.

I see many of these types of failures on a yearly basis. This tire is close to delamination (like the third pic)
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This next 2 tires have delaminated. I won't say this happens on a regular basis, but I have seen it a few times.
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This tire has bubbled (3 places actually) I have seen this happen a couple of times.
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Ride safe

My Tyres have done whats in your first attachment.

It almost appears to be separating at the join. :dunno

Besides me not liking the tyre in general, seeing this the other day just sealed the deal for me, and I rode straight down and ordered some different tyres.

Let's back the truck up for a minute. Your mixing names of Brands & Models which is very confusing.

I think you read my post in the wrong context.

I went to get CorsaIIIs (Pirelli) because I used to always run Pirelli and found them to be a great tyre all round.
The reason I'm doing this is because the PP are useless and dangerous (imho).
But whilst there I was recommended Bridgestone, which resulted in this post.


There are a few people out there that swear on the PP's that they are the greatest tire every built. Unfortunately, this is greatly due to a lack of knowledge or experience with the tire industry on a larger scale.

I was talking to a mate about the PP and saying I can't work out how so many people swear they are the best tyre ever when they are obviously so bad.

His reply was that he can't believe how many people out there can't ride for shit, which makes them think the PP are a great tyre. :lmao He has a point.

I may be wrong but wasn't there a recall and it replaced all the defective tires.

My Tyres have done whats in your first attachment.

It almost appears to be separating at the join. :dunno

Besides me not liking the tyre in general, seeing this the other day just sealed the deal for me, and I rode straight down and ordered some different tyres.



I think you read my post in the wrong context.

I went to get CorsaIIIs (Pirelli) because I used to always run Pirelli and found them to be a great tyre all round.
The reason I'm doing this is because the PP are useless and dangerous (imho).
But whilst there I was recommended Bridgestone, which resulted in this post.



I was talking to a mate about the PP and saying I can't work out how so many people swear they are the best tyre ever when they are obviously so bad.

His reply was that he can't believe how many people out there can't ride for shit, which makes them think the PP are a great tyre. :lmao He has a point.


It was a little confusing when you say "Super corsa III" since that is mixing 2 Models of Pirelli tires.

There is "Diablo" (street)
"Diablo Corsa" (70% track & 30% street)
"Diablo Corsa III" (2 compound, 3 zone tire which is also track & steet tire)
Just recently Pirelli released the "Rosso" which is a street tire and is replacing the "Diablo"

Now the DOT race tires use the "Supercorsa" name.
"Dragon Supercorsa" (old generation)
"Supercorsa Pro" (last generation but still widely available)
"Diablo Supercorsa" (2007 Released & still somewhat hard to come by can be found if you search) These are what I am currently running and they kick arse, but I have ridden on everything but the Rosso.

In your last paragraph you say SC3's which is only a compound mixture. It is not a Brand or Model of tire. All the DOT race tires come in the SC0 to SC3 compound depending on the generation.

I would say the problem with people liking the PP is simply that people generally don't try many different brands or models in a short amount of time so they have nothing to compare one tire to another IMO.

For example: most of the guys I ride with only go thru 1 or 2 sets of tires a year. With all the new compounds constantly hitting the market there is no way for them to know what is a latest great tire and what is not.

To answer your original question. Yes Bridgestone makes great tires. Just make sure your purchase the Model that suits the type of riding you do.


Ride safe.


Ride safe.

It was a little confusing when you say "Super corsa III" since that is mixing 2 Models of Pirelli tires.

There is "Diablo" (street)
"Diablo Corsa" (70% track & 30% street)
"Diablo Corsa III" (2 compound, 3 zone tire which is also track & steet tire)
Just recently Pirelli released the "Rosso" which is a street tire and is replacing the "Diablo"

Now the DOT race tires use the "Supercorsa" name.
"Dragon Supercorsa" (old generation)
"Supercorsa Pro" (last generation but still widely available)
"Diablo Supercorsa" (2007 Released & still somewhat hard to come by can be found if you search) These are what I am currently running and they kick arse, but I have ridden on everything but the Rosso.

In your last paragraph you say SC3's which is only a compound mixture. It is not a Brand or Model of tire. All the DOT race tires come in the SC0 to SC3 compound depending on the generation.

I would say the problem with people liking the PP is simply that people generally don't try many different brands or models in a short amount of time so they have nothing to compare one tire to another IMO.

For example: most of the guys I ride with only go thru 1 or 2 sets of tires a year. With all the new compounds constantly hitting the market there is no way for them to know what is a latest great tire and what is not.

To answer your original question. Yes Bridgestone makes great tires. Just make sure your purchase the Model that suits the type of riding you do.


Ride safe.


Ride safe.

Sorry mate, you're right.
I was mixing models of tyres without thinking.... When I went back I checked the brands, but they are right. :old kicking in! :)

I may be wrong but wasn't there a recall and it replaced all the defective tires.


Well yes and no.


The NO part: The recall was only on specific numbered tires. To my knowledge no tire has failed for the reason the tires where recalled. Also the recall was only done in 2007 and the PP's have been doing this for 4 years.


The YES part: Any defective tire will be replaced by the manufacturer. However, if you look at the pictures do you really think the owner wanted another tire that may do the same thing? :lol


Ride safe.

Pirelli!!! Enough said. :fact

Well yes and no.


The NO part: The recall was only on specific numbered tires. To my knowledge no tire has failed for the reason the tires where recalled. Also the recall was only done in 2007 and the PP's have been doing this for 4 years.


The YES part: Any defective tire will be replaced by the manufacturer. However, if you look at the pictures do you really think the owner wanted another tire that may do the same thing? :lol


Ride safe.

some or all of the pics you posted surfaced at the time of the recall when I called the manufacturer they claimed no tires outside the recall range were coming apart. it seems the recall was for the tread coming apart or delamination . I dont know what to believe anymore but the info you gave is making me rethink my next tire purchase. especially if this has been going on for four years:oh

I must be the only person that has (and rates) Continental.

Over 5000km's ago I bought a set of Continental Race Attack (http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/motorcycle/themes/motorcycletires/sport/contiraceattack/contiracetattack_en.html)tyres for my 2003 R1 and I have been impressed.

I went from Pirelli Diablo Corsas (which I couldnt wait to get off) to the Continental Race Attacks and they have peformed extremely well.

As mentioned before, I've now done over 5000km's, 4 trackdays, many a quick country run and even more k's non boring straight highways. I'd say that the tyre would now be around 65% worn and I'd still do at least one full trackday with them and then some!

The reason I looked outside the square is that "most" of my mates had Pilot Powers or Super Corsas or Battlax, and I wanted something different. First and foremost I fell in love with the tread pattern. Yes, I went for looks first!

They cost me the same as a set of Michelin Pilot Powers would so to me, it was great value. I'd highly recommend them to anyone that might be a little over the "norm" and looking at something different.

Here in Perth, Australia, when people see my bike they sometimes ask about the tyres and don't realise that Continental have been making tyres for donkeys years.

At the time of buying the tyres, I was the 11th person in Australia to own a set of Continental Race Attacks!

http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/motorcycle/themes/motorcycletires/sport/contiraceattack/img/contiraceattack_new_uv;property=original.jpg

http://sulk.cc/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9628&g2_serialNumber=1

some or all of the pics you posted surfaced at the time of the recall when I called the manufacturer they claimed no tires outside the recall range were coming apart. it seems the recall was for the tread coming apart or delamination . I dont know what to believe anymore but the info you gave is making me rethink my next tire purchase. especially if this has been going on for four years:oh
that last pic r1 master posted was originally posted on a bmw forum and i found it and posted it on the r1 forum all of 2-3 months ago.the guy had just recently purchased the tires and this was his first ride with them installed. the recall was long overwith if im not mistaken by last october when this happened...

that last pic r1 master posted was originally posted on a bmw forum and i found it and posted it on the r1 forum all of 2-3 months ago.the guy had just recently purchased the tires and this was his first ride with them installed. the recall was long overwith if im not mistaken by last october when this happened...
what I was saying was I had seen some or all of those pics at or about the time of said recall. the recall is forever. october would have been two or three months after this all started but there are probably a few people still riding on the recalled tires and just dont know it . I was not trying to be rude to r1master mostly just confused because his info kind of contradicted what the mfger said, and leaves me with an uneasy feeling about the tires that are on my bike now.

:thumbup gotcha

im running pilot powers curretly and dont mind them but i have always been a pirelli guy and i still end up looking at my tires for failures more now than i eer felt i had to with my pirellis:fact

I see many of these types of failures on a yearly basis. This tire is close to delamination (like the third pic)
3322


Hey R1 Master,

Both my tyres are like the one you posted above, should I be a little concerned or is this just the join in the tyre? :dunno I don't remember the Pirellis ever showing a join like this.

i have the same mark and im not too concerned...of course i gotta get a new tire before spring too:fact

Hey R1 Master,

Both my tyres are like the one you posted above, should I be a little concerned or is this just the join in the tyre? :dunno I don't remember the Pirellis ever showing a join like this.


Well I would be concerned to the point of keeping a close eye on your tires before each ride and if you stop to take a break while out riding. <<(everyone should be doing this anyway) The lines don't necessarily mean the tire is going to delaminate @ any specific time, but I would keep an eye out for any change that appears to get worse.

Obviously, the pics being showed are two ends of the spectrum. We go from lines in the tires to delamination, but there are many different things that happen in between also that are not pictured.


Ride safe.

I know I am a nOOb on here, but I was reading the entire thread on this and had to chime in with my .02 and what I know from my wife working at Cycle Gear along with a good buddy's that is the manager. She showed me the "posted recall" that are out for the PP's. It basically says that the PP fronts were having issues in the 120/70 ZR17 range and that if any tire fails that you can bring it back. Like R1 Master says, who would want another tire to do the same thing. When I was talking to her about it she said that the recalled tires are still out there, and they have come up with some new compound to run that makes the delam and separating stop. :dunno Again, not sure if this is true but dont know anyone personally that had this problem.

I also agree it is how you ride and where you live that will determine what kind of tire to go with. I am on Diablo Corsa III's right now on my R1 and LOVE THEM!!! On the R6, I have run mostly Dunflop D208 GP tires, old, but I got good response out of them! I also just got some race take off Dragon Supercorsa Slicks that I was going to run in Italy when I get there.
Again, just MHO and .02:thumbup

Maybe I'm the lucky bastard that got a set of good PPs. Mine have 6Kmi on them and look almost like new. Ride great and grip very well. I run 36fr/38rr psi. I've run IRC, Dunlop, Metzler, and Michelin over the yrs, and I have enjoyed a lot of trouble free miles on my Michelin PPs. When you work in the auto/moto repair industry you will always see the worst of the worst come through your door. Sometimes improper installation can cause premature failure. Just food for thought.
I would like to know how many tires each brand has manufactured and compare that to the failure rate and see what their ratio is. Sometimes a brand gets a black eye just because someone throws a microscope on them and highlights every failure and the it seems like they are terrible. But another manufacturer could be having just as many failures, or more, and slip by unnoticed because the media has picked up and sensationalized one manufacturer's problems for ratings sake. The old torch and pitchfork crew.
I am not saying that Michelin didn't have a serious problem w/ their PPs, but shit look at Firestone's Wilderness AT tire recall. That blacked their eye for a long time, and I think the failure of the Wilderness AT was lack of maintance and the crappy Ford "I" beam design. That front end has always been a tire eater. But i'm getting of subject.

All tire manufacturers have a percentage of failures. It's a fact of life and mass production.

Until there is a 3rd party study of all brands, listing all premature failures, and giving a failure ratio to total output. The discussion will always be based on personal opinion and the ability of the media to sway popular opinion. Sorry my .04cents

Maybe I'm the lucky bastard that got a set of good PPs. Mine have 6Kmi on them and look almost like new. Ride great and grip very well. I run 36fr/38rr psi. I've run IRC, Dunlop, Metzler, and Michelin over the yrs, and I have enjoyed a lot of trouble free miles on my Michelin PPs. When you work in the auto/moto repair industry you will always see the worst of the worst come through your door. Sometimes improper installation can cause premature failure. Just food for thought.
I would like to know how many tires each brand has manufactured and compare that to the failure rate and see what their ratio is. Sometimes a brand gets a black eye just because someone throws a microscope on them and highlights every failure and the it seems like they are terrible. But another manufacturer could be having just as many failures, or more, and slip by unnoticed because the media has picked up and sensationalized one manufacturer's problems for ratings sake. The old torch and pitchfork crew.
I am not saying that Michelin didn't have a serious problem w/ their PPs, but shit look at Firestone's Wilderness AT tire recall. That blacked their eye for a long time, and I think the failure of the Wilderness AT was lack of maintance and the crappy Ford "I" beam design. That front end has always been a tire eater. But i'm getting of subject.

All tire manufacturers have a percentage of failures. It's a fact of life and mass production.

Until there is a 3rd party study of all brands, listing all premature failures, and giving a failure ratio to total output. The discussion will always be based on personal opinion and the ability of the media to sway popular opinion. Sorry my .04cents


So your saying that you feel a percentage of motorcycle tire failures are acceptable? :dunno

I'm not sure what you mean by the Media. I have never seen the media bring up the problem with the PP's. I bring this discussion up from the results I see on a regular basis.

I would argue most of your points, but I will tell you this just to keep it simple.

I have yet to see these type of tire failures with Pirelli or Bridgestone, but I have lost track of PP's and (Dunlop's << this is a completely different story though.)

Motorcycle tire failures are not and should not be acceptable at any percentage IMO.


Ride safe.

just a lil tidbit...the firestone wilderness AT was not designed for speeds over 55mph and most of the failures happened at interstate speeds 65mph +

So your saying that you feel a percentage of motorcycle tire failures are acceptable? :dunno

I'm not sure what you mean by the Media. I have never seen the media bring up the problem with the PP's. I bring this discussion up from the results I see on a regular basis.

I would argue most of your points, but I will tell you this just to keep it simple.

I have yet to see these type of tire failures with Pirelli or Bridgestone, but I have lost track of PP's and (Dunlop's << this is a completely different story though.)

Motorcycle tire failures are not and should not be acceptable at any percentage IMO.


Ride safe.
No I agree that no percentage of failures is acceptable. Especially when it comes to motorcycle tires. But the fact remains that it does happen is all I was trying to say.
I wish it could be a perfect world and no failures would happen. But it's not. Michelin makes some of the best car tires out there IMHO. I don't think they deserve the burn them at the stake kind of additude that they are getting though. I agree that there is a lot of work that needs to be done though, between quality control improvements and manufacturing proceedures to make sure this does not happen.

No I agree that no percentage of failures is acceptable. Especially when it comes to motorcycle tires. But the fact remains that it does happen is all I was trying to say.
I wish it could be a perfect world and no failures would happen. But it's not. Michelin makes some of the best car tires out there IMHO. I don't think they deserve the burn them at the stake kind of additude that they are getting though. I agree that there is a lot of work that needs to be done though, between quality control improvements and manufacturing proceedures to make sure this does not happen.

I agree that Michelin makes some great tires as a manufacture. I am not saying Michelin as a whole makes junk tires. Just seems that the PP itself has some design flaws since it's inception.

I have not seen these failures with their other models of tires. :thumbup


Ride safe.

Agreed. I won't buy anything but Michelin for my cars/truck. I hope Michelin gets the problem corrected quickly.

I'm running Pirelli Diablo Corsa IIIs and love them. I've had Bridgestone, Dunlop and Mettzler and these are by far my favorite.