Are they ever gonna be released?:lol

sOON!

I posted some pics up on SBF of the latest progress. They have the cush drives designed and built now, the new front hubs look AWESOME. No idea when they will actually be out, but I heard a rumor of Feb.

oh okay, i'll go to SBF to check out the pics :thumbup

I ll transfer some of the info and the pics over to here in a bit. :thumbup

feb is what i heard also :)

...but I heard a rumor of Feb.

feb is what i heard also :)


'08 or '09. ;)

well they come with 40 virgins now also guys on gixxer.com are saying...

well they come with 40 virgins now also guys on gixxer.com are saying...

bent dicks and straight rims????

'08 or '09. ;)

well they come with 40 virgins now also guys on gixxer.com are saying...

:lol

Kenshin.....if you ever decide to get wheels......please.......I beg you .......go get a dealership to install them :lol

:lol

Kenshin.....if you ever decide to get wheels......please.......I beg you .......go get a dealership to install them :lol

+1
you gotta remove the brakes for that!:r1lover

:lol

Kenshin.....if you ever decide to get wheels......please.......I beg you .......go get a dealership to install them :lol
:lol you guys.....

:old, hopefully he learned the lesson on brake lines. Maybe someone can transfer the pic to here for his sake.

:rant :rant

from the pics i saw, the wheels DO look awesome. love how they designed the one piece cush drive. hope they finally follow thru, cause they've had one hell of a rocky start.

:lol

Kenshin.....if you ever decide to get wheels......please.......I beg you .......go get a dealership to install them :lol



:imwst:rofl:rofl:rofl

Hopefully in feb they will really release them.

Sup Yall? I don't think I would want the first set of these or anything that has had so many problems getting to the marketplace.

:corn


Ride safe.

Sup Yall? I don't think I would want the first set of these or anything that has had so many problems getting to the marketplace.

Why not? Might mean they actually took their time testing and ensuring these wheels are the best you can get. Better than someone that rushed an inferior product to market, UNTESTED, just to make a buck.

Even though this saga has become one for the ages, I respect someone that won't release something until he/she is sure it won't kill anyone.

Why not? Might mean they actually took their time testing and ensuring these wheels are the best you can get. Better than someone that rushed an inferior product to market, UNTESTED, just to make a buck.

Even though this saga has become one for the ages, I respect someone that won't release something until he/she is sure it won't kill anyone.

agree 100%

Why not? Might mean they actually took their time testing and ensuring these wheels are the best you can get. Better than someone that rushed an inferior product to market, UNTESTED, just to make a buck.

Even though this saga has become one for the ages, I respect someone that won't release something until he/she is sure it won't kill anyone.

Have you been keeping up with this saga on the WERA forum?

Have you been keeping up with this saga on the WERA forum?

A bit....but the last time I checked the thread, there was one guy that was going on and on about Durrani's finances, not his product.

Guess I should go take a look at the latest word...:nowhine

Could ya link it? Thanks bro....

Well if they wait to release until 08 maybe the wheels wont have a lag issue :lol

A bit....but the last time I checked the thread, there was one guy that was going on and on about Durrani's finances, not his product.

Guess I should go take a look at the latest word...:nowhine

Could ya link it? Thanks bro....


http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=138691


Your wish is my command! Bring a cigar. I think the thread is up to 115 or so pages of bs combined with insults and a miniscule amount of factual data and actual photos of the recent progress. Believe me no one wants to believe in this unicorn more than me, but the financial woes coupled with the engineering pitfalls make me leary until they are proven. Look at the pile of rejects. Maybe they are only going to deliver the best.

Well I could have told them they have a problem with those, there is no rim to keep the tire on :lol

shit dude, I work in the castings industry, that pile is NOTHING.

Here are some more of the pics. These were taken by bkeros over on the WERA forum. The cush drive design is pretty kick ass, an integral unit that eliminates the need for a seperate sprocket carrier.

pretty

a good design and efficient process goes a hell of a lot further than "passion" ever will.

It's the american way :fact

yea.....but once again, how much is based in FACT, and how much is RUMOR. having been to a war zone three times, i know ALL ABOUT what rumors can do....especially when most of the time they're not true. They didn't do themselves any favors by having Indysuperbikes list their wheels way too early. Anyway, it doesn't affect me in any way if they ever do or don't hit the street. I hope they do. Would be cool for them to redeem themselves a bit.

a good design and efficient process goes a hell of a lot further than "passion" ever will.

It's the american way :fact

to a large extent that is true, but this guy hasn't just made new wheels.....he apparently pioneered an all new mfg process for magnesium. It's fair to say the process has more dollar value than the wheels ever will. The bad part is that he jeopardized the whole thing by jumping the gun with his overestimate of how soon he could pull it off, took money from customers early, has left them hanging on, etc. I think in the long run he'll turn it around, but I don't blame the early victims for having an everlasting bad taste from the whole deal.

to a large extent that is true, but this guy hasn't just made new wheels.....he apparently pioneered an all new mfg process for magnesium. It's fair to say the process has more dollar value than the wheels ever will. The bad part is that he jeopardized the whole thing by jumping the gun with his overestimate of how soon he could pull it off, took money from customers early, has left them hanging on, etc. I think in the long run he'll turn it around, but I don't blame the early victims for having an everlasting bad taste from the whole deal.

Amen Brother Kmac.

to a large extent that is true, but this guy hasn't just made new wheels.....he apparently pioneered an all new mfg process for magnesium. It's fair to say the process has more dollar value than the wheels ever will. The bad part is that he jeopardized the whole thing by jumping the gun with his overestimate of how soon he could pull it off, took money from customers early, has left them hanging on, etc. I think in the long run he'll turn it around, but I don't blame the early victims for having an everlasting bad taste from the whole deal.

yea that's true and I can't fault it.

But one more thing that I've observed, is that a mans engineering ability, has NOTHING to do with his ability as a businessman.

Infact, it's possible that they're inversely proportionate. But who would you rather buy the product from? the engineer or the businessman?

yea that's true and I can't fault it.

But one more thing that I've observed, is that a mans engineering ability, has NOTHING to do with his ability as a businessman.

Infact, it's possible that they're inversely proportionate. But who would you rather buy the product from? the engineer or the businessman?

Word Brother Junior!

yea that's true and I can't fault it.

But one more thing that I've observed, is that a mans engineering ability, has NOTHING to do with his ability as a businessman.

Infact, it's possible that they're inversely proportionate. But who would you rather buy the product from? the engineer or the businessman?
what about the businessman paying the engineer to do his job, so the businessman can do his?:r1lover

what about the businessman paying the engineer to do his job, so the businessman can do his?:r1lover

Do you work better when it's for your own benefit? or when it's for "the man's"?

Do you work better when it's for your own benefit? or when it's for "the man's"?
i work better when i don't have to juggle two areas of opposites! proof is in the pudding as the saying goes.:kiss

i work better when i don't have to juggle two areas of opposites! proof is in the pudding as the saying goes.:kiss

ya you aint wrong there. LMAO.

I don't fault him tho, guy is revolutionizing magnesium casting. I've read some of his publications on it and he seems to know his stuff. If I was him I'd do whatever it takes to get it working under my own patents without help from a big corporation.. so that when I'm done I can party naked on a beach in Ibiza for the rest of my life.

those wheels look good. and the cush drive seems like it is kick ass

hmmm...its strange being in a duranni thread without seeing mr. grn:lol

jray02r1
jesse

withouth seeing who?? i guess i havent keep up enough with them to know

Junior, You would love talking to Sheryar. Earlier this year when he was finalizing the inner wheel design the stuff he was showing me was off the hook. The entire wheel was designed with an FEA model, there is not a consistent cross section anywhere in the spoke. They radius's throughout are constantly changing size and the cross sectional area of the beam grows and shrinks all relative to where the strength is needed or isnt to produce the strongest / lightest wheel possible. Seriously insane engineering. :fact

Junior, You would love talking to Sheryar. Earlier this year when he was finalizing the inner wheel design the stuff he was showing me was off the hook. The entire wheel was designed with an FEA model, there is not a consistent cross section anywhere in the spoke. They radius's throughout are constantly changing size and the cross sectional area of the beam grows and shrinks all relative to where the strength is needed or isnt to produce the strongest / lightest wheel possible. Seriously insane engineering. :fact

you just went about 4 levels above my head man

mr. grn went crazy in that thread on the r1 forum:lol

jray02r1
jesse

oh ok i guess i never saw it

mr. grn went crazy in that thread on the r1 forum:lol

jray02r1
jesse


He was crazy before that thread. :fact

Junior, You would love talking to Sheryar. Earlier this year when he was finalizing the inner wheel design the stuff he was showing me was off the hook. The entire wheel was designed with an FEA model, there is not a consistent cross section anywhere in the spoke. They radius's throughout are constantly changing size and the cross sectional area of the beam grows and shrinks all relative to where the strength is needed or isnt to produce the strongest / lightest wheel possible. Seriously insane engineering. :fact

yea, FEA and continuously variable thicknesses seem to be the way of the future. I try to avoid that shit wherever I can 'cause it REALLY makes it a bastard to calculate a tolerance stack up factor of safety. It's only a matter of time before I have no choice but to get into FEA optimized designs tho. At the moment I generally just model it, push it thru the FEA and check that the numbers it gives me back are accceptable.

Old fashioned, but hey, so far so good.

kwcomp with all of the extra r&d have you heard of the price will go up when they start selling them? I know it's taken longer then they expect is why I ask. We were hoping to run them on our bike but we couldn't wait any longer.

I havent heard anything about prices going up Corey. I have to get down there to visit soon though, I still have 3 of the prototype forgings in my garage that I have to return. I ll ask him then, I highly doubt the $$ will change initially, because cost was one of his big factors. But with all the extended development time and added $$ from the manufacturability issues he has got to be hurting a bit, so who knows.

damn...well keep us posted brudda...I want these damn wheels someday:lol

If FEA is so soon to become prevalent wouldnt other manuf. be doing it? Sounds pretty cool I must say...

...and isnt it FEM?:confused:corn

:welcome Donnie

If FEA is so soon to become prevalent wouldnt other manuf. be doing it? Sounds pretty cool I must say...

...and isnt it FEM?:confused:corn

I guess you lost me...what makes you think others arent using it? FEA is pretty common in my industry, its just to what extent you apply what it shows you and how much you want to tweak the model.

If FEA is so soon to become prevalent wouldnt other manuf. be doing it? Sounds pretty cool I must say...

...and isnt it FEM?:confused:corn

Finite
Elemental
Analysis

It is prevalent forsure, thing is that it generally requires a production process that you can't get with a standard forging or casting. With the thixomolding you can. You also can with billet, many billet wheels are made using that engineering aswell.

FEA is abit unsuited, should be FEA-D for "Design" or E for "engineering" would fit a bit better.

This is part of why his process is going to be so revolutionary, before long it'll be being used in aluminum on automotive rims and by the manufacturers for production bike wheels.

Finite
Elemental
Analysis

It is prevalent forsure, thing is that it generally requires a production process that you can't get with a standard forging or casting. With the thixomolding you can. You also can with billet, many billet wheels are made using that engineering aswell.

FEA is abit unsuited, should be FEA-D for "Design" or E for "engineering" would fit a bit better.

This is part of why his process is going to be so revolutionary, before long it'll be being used in aluminum on automotive rims and by the manufacturers for production bike wheels.

Jet engine and power turbine manufacturers are gonna jump all over that technology. If this guy works it all out he deserves every penny he's gonna make......wheels or not.

Jet engine and power turbine manufacturers are gonna jump all over that technology. If this guy works it all out he deserves every penny he's gonna make......wheels or not.

ya there's without a doubt a million and 1 applications for the technology. He just chose to do what he loves first.

Pulled this from the IndySuperbikes Durrani Listing:

"Due to Production set backs the Durrani 510 series wheels will not be available for purchase until early 2008. Thanks for your interest in this exciting new product. We will list the models as they become available. Here is Durrani's letter explaining in more detail where the company is headed with the new design.

Dear Customer,

This letter is being sent to you to inform you of the status of your Durrani 510 wheels order.

Our mission at Durrani Racing Components is to produce and distribute high performance lightweight products to the sportbike industry, utilizing a high degree of new and unique magnesium technology at previously inconceivable value. Over the past few months, our efforts have been focused on perfecting a manufacturing process whereby a Thixomolded magnesium Wheelcore could be mated to an extruded and ring-rolled AZ80 magnesium rim. Our data indicated that this would produce a lightweight and affordable motorcycle wheel that is well suited for use on public roads and racetracks alike.

While both steps in this process presented distinct engineering challenges, we believed that perfecting the Thixomolding process for the wheel core would require the most time and effort. This belief was based on 20 years of magnesium engineering experience, and the fact that the largest Thixomolded magnesium product that had been successfully produced prior to our wheels weighed about 1 pound. To our delight, we were able to refine the tooling and dial in the process in less time than previously imagined. This accomplishment literally sent a shock wave through the industry when Durrani Wheelcores were displayed at the 2007 Society of Automotive Engineers and International Magnesium Association trade shows.

With this accomplishment under our belt, combined with the resources and personnel that were on deck to assist in the remaining work to be done, we felt that the possibility of delivering complete sets of wheels in a 4-6 week time frame was plausible. After advertisements were published and orders began coming in, we simultaneously experienced several setbacks related to completing the development of our manufacturing process. With each setback, came a shift of our anticipated delivery date. While you and a large number of our customers have shown unprecedented patience with us as we have worked to overcome a variety of unforeseen production issues, it became clear that a change in direction was warranted.

While the original wheel design had performed extremely well during initial testing and development, upon production ramp-up and final testing we discovered that the extruded and ring rolled rim process had inherent flaws which were only detectable by producing significant quantities of the parts. For this reason, we have chosen to quarantine and scrap all of the rims and materials related to this process, and pursue the now proven path of Thixomolding for the rim as we have successfully done with the Wheelcore.

This new approach will ensure a more robust and higher quality product; however this improvement results in significantly higher manufacturing costs. Given this, we will hold our original price on the 510 Series wheel for 2007, but expect to raise it in 2008. To this end, magnesium hubs are now standard and aluminum hubs have been discontinued. We have also designed a standardized sprocket bolt pattern based on the Suzuki GSXR series fitment from 2001-2007. If this does not match your application, then a sprocket will be provided to you at no extra charge. We anticipate that it will take approximately 3-4 months to tool up and implement, and we are deeply committed to achieving this end. If you choose to maintain your exemplary level of patience and keep your order in the queue, we certainly appreciate it. If you paid in advance and choose to cancel, we will be happy to issue a full refund.

The steps we are taking to refine our manufacturing process demonstrate our dedication and commitment to produce lightweight, high value magnesium wheels, and we look forward to your continued support.

Sincerely,

Durrani Racing Components"

Sounds like he thought making the wheels was going to be easier than it turned out to be. Sucks that he got the marketing machine going way too early, because it backfired pretty badly. Eh...when he finally gets wheels on people's bikes and the customers are happy, the wait will be old news.

holy f00k he's thixo molding the whole thing?

I am not so sure about this..... in my mind he should start punching out tried and true rolled aluminum wheel hoops to start filling orders and getting shit rolling.... I dunno tho.

:lmao Another setback and letter full of excuses from Durrani

I'm sure he has lost most of his support by now....

the upshot is that he admitted that he fucked up, a lot of places won't do that.

I'm sure this is a cover up for these words below.


"I'm sorry I fucked up and had no fucking clue what I was doing. I thought I could have done this, now that I have thousands of dollars of your money I will figure out a way to make some type of wheel that I think is cool though"


:lmao

Everything he is stating in that letter is the complete truth, I can vouch for that and I will put my own name on it. I can do that because I have witnessed most of his development myself through out the year. I have not spoken to him recently so this news of him discontinuing the ring rolling process for the hoops is news to me. But I do know that the ring rolling process is what has been holding him up and that is not a lie. He tried to outsource the rolling process but could not get it done here in the U.S. at a price that met the needs of the wheels, he also went so far as to design and build his own rolling machine which was working for the front hoop for pre-production builds but was not having much luck on the rear hoop. I am also not aware of how his ramp up to production faired for the front hoops he was trying to make as I havent spoken to him in some time on the subject. I am not suprised that he has decided to thixomold the hoop now, and frankly, it will be a much better wheel in the end because of it. It is unfortunate that his own marketing machine has now turned against him, he made a mistake and has admitted it multiple times. Bottom line though, he is still moving forward, and IMHO we should all be supporting him not bashing him. His work if succesfull will ultimately be a huge benefit to our sport and another notch in the belt of American ingenuity. I mean seriously...maybe not everyone feels the same way I do, but I think it would be the cats ass to have bad ass set of wheels on my bike that said "Made in Detroit" instead of Made in Italy, Japan, etc........

Bottom line though, he is still moving forward, and IMHO we should all be supporting him not bashing him. His work if succesfull will ultimately be a huge benefit to our sport and another notch in the belt of American ingenuity. I mean seriously...maybe not everyone feels the same way I do, but I think it would be the cats ass to have bad ass set of wheels on my bike that said "Made in Detroit" instead of Made in Italy, Japan, etc........

Amen. I'd like to get in touch with him actually and see if there's anything I can do to help him out.

I also just wanna throw in that this guy is COMPLETELY re-writing the textbook on magnesium casting. It states pretty clearly that the ideal size is from 10-500g. Or for you yanks, between the weight of a haloween snickers bar, and a pound of butter. The ideal is supposed to be around 200g. Or a king sized snickers bar.

This guy is able to make wheels. The only other re-write of this magnitude I've ever heard of was the advent of Torsen differentials.

I can respect your opinion Kevin.... although he clearly should have done more homework before opening his mouth.
I respect the effort and I also respect the technology, but what I don't respect is a company taking money from people like us for something they can't produce.
That is my issue on behalf of the motorcycling community, other then that I give him props for trying something new.

what I don't respect is a company taking money from people like us for something they can't produce.
That is my issue on behalf of the motorcycling community.

100% in agreement with you there R1Lover, and its why I have never pushed anyone to buy the wheels yet, from anywhere. I feel for the guys that have bought for them and I sincerely hope they either get some wheels eventually or their money back. For the rest of us that are just waiting and watching, I am hoping he finally succeeds, and soon.

I still don't understand why he didn't sub out aluminum rim rolling, which can be done in many places, and atleast offer people SOMETHING right now or to wait on for the full thing.

I am not sure that would have flew with the people that put money down thinking they were buying a Magnesium wheel. :dunno

for the price they paid and the reduced weight? I'd deal....

He's still going to eventually get something out there. It's not like my world is crumbling because he hasn't produced a wheel yet. It sucks for him, but I'm game for waiting. When his product does hit the street and he's happy with it, he's still going to sell an assload of wheels, reguardless of what people think now. Don't know why people are throwing so many daggers at him.

the spoke design just doesn't do anything for me, its just not as clean a spoke design as a PVM or Marchesini :yes

which is more important tho? looks or moment of inertia and gyroscopic procession?

which is more important tho? looks or moment of inertia and gyroscopic procession?


both . . . thats why I'd go with Marchesini or PVM :old

LOL, ok, fair enough, to me tho, MOI, Gyroscopic procession and just plain old mass matter infinitely more than looks do. So when he gets these things ready to rock, I'll be getting a set.

which is more important tho? looks or moment of inertia and gyroscopic procession?
in that case bst should be your first choice!:sing

in that case bst should be your first choice!:sing

and that's a really good point.

Unfortunatly I have resounding memories of Freddie Spencer nearly being killed when a CF rim popped on him.

still tho, I might have to give that substantial thought.

and that's a really good point.

Unfortunatly I have resounding memories of Freddie Spencer nearly being killed when a CF rim popped on him.

still tho, I might have to give that substantial thought.

cf technology & manufacturing has progressed tremendousely since than, the likelyhood of a failure is no more than that of a mag rim :old

cf technology & manufacturing has progressed tremendousely since than, the likelyhood of a failure is no more than that of a mag rim :old

Ya, this is the thing. I KNOW that, my head tells me that, my knowledge tells me that, all my textbooks tell me that.

and yet still I have this image of FS being tossed.

And on top of it, the difference in price is almost double. I mean I can be into a set of Durrani's for not much more than a set of stock replacement track wheels. Pretty hard to argue with the pricetag.

ok, I just did some reading, Gazz McCoy used BST wheels on his YZR500.

if they can tolerate that, they can tolerate anything. :fact They actually posted their fatigue testing results on their website too and they're not too bad. Altho I would definitely consider a replacement cycle for the wheels, particularly the front.

And on top of it, the difference in price is almost double. I mean I can be into a set of Durrani's for not much more than a set of stock replacement track wheels. Pretty hard to argue with the pricetag.
then in that case, you are already going against what you feel is most important in a wheel and letting price be a determining factor.the blackstone tek wheel ( not a marvic that freddy crashed on) (i think) are a completely different kettle of fish. differing wheels altogether. but i wont go into that as i know you know this anyway. i have had my bst wheels longer than anyone on this or the r1 forum as far as i know, and i ve done just about everything on these wheels including crashing and snapping my frame in half ..... and have just been on a dyno for 2 days solid last week and over 60 hard pulls on there with the rear wheel tied down hard on there. etc etc and they really are fine. trust me bro... worth twice what they cost just on performance increase alone.:hello

Hmmm, pretty hard to argue with that. And you're right that I"m letting price get involved. Honestly I'm willing to let price come into it a long long time before looks.

All about what you're after, but reality is I'm a long ways from ordering wheels anyhow.

Hmmm, pretty hard to argue with that. And you're right that I"m letting price get involved. Honestly I'm willing to let price come into it a long long time before looks.

All about what you're after, but reality is I'm a long ways from ordering wheels anyhow.
i agree price before 'looks' but i never mentioned 'looks' anyway.it's all about what a light /less rotating mass wheel can do on a track for me. anyway just letting you know my experience with these particular wheels.:hello

ya, and I appreciate it.

It's more complex than just rotating mass tho, it's all about moment of inertia. I mean the hub spins, but they could make the hub out of iron for all I care, since it's got no leverage on the thing... but carbon fiber on the hoops rather than mag goes a long ways.

ya, and I appreciate it.

It's more complex than just rotating mass tho, it's all about moment of inertia. I mean the hub spins, but they could make the hub out of iron for all I care, since it's got no leverage on the thing... but carbon fiber on the hoops rather than mag goes a long ways.

all good points too!......hey the bst's come with a choice of magnesium or alloy hubs also.:hooray

yes sir, which is sweet stuff. Can save some bucks and go with an alloy hub. Altho truthfully, if you're throwing down that much coin, may as well go all out.

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yes sir, which is sweet stuff. Can save some bucks and go with an alloy hub. Altho truthfully, if you're throwing down that much coin, may as well go all out.

while your saving for your BST's you can reduce your weight by eating less and saving more for the wheels, hell Bluer1 was nearly 300 when he started saving, by the time he got his wheels he'd dropped to 160 . . . course eating nothing but Vegemite & Fosters will do that to you :rofl

while your saving for your BST's you can reduce your weight by eating less and saving more for the wheels, hell Bluer1 was nearly 300 when he started saving, by the time he got his wheels he'd dropped to 160 . . . course eating nothing but Vegemite & Fosters will do that to you :rofl
hey , i resemble that remark!:lol:old

last i heard durrani was hoping on feb, did anyone hear anything different? I heard the costs might go up and i can't imagine how much based on the fact it's going to be a year and not on product has been sold :( I can't even imagine.

Guarantee they'll end up about the same price as Marchesinis.

well at least the american dollar is strong at the moment!..............oh, wait.....:rofl

well at least the american dollar is strong at the moment!..............oh, wait.....:rofl


oh yea . . . at this rate I should be able to retire when I'm 96 :old

hey , i resemble that remark!:lol:old

yea....but i thought he looks a little like nikki sixx...:rofl ;)