Diesel engine for Audi R8?

German magazine breaks embargo on V12 diesel R8.

Auto Motor Und Sport in Germany has, according to World Car Fans, sent out its January issue with embargo-busting shots of a V12 diesel R8, which is set to make its debut on 13 January at the Detroit motorshow.

Apparently this is nothing more than a design study but, if feedback is good, the car could make it into ‘mass’ production. Although putting a diesel in a supercar may seem odd, it actually makes a lot of sense from Audi’s point of view. They’ve spent the last two seasons dominating sportscar racing with the diesel LMP1 R10, which has one of the most advanced diesel engines ever built fitted in the back – a 6.0 litre turbocharged V12 with an all-alloy crankcase (a big deal in a diesel) – so begin able to release a sports car with this engine fitted to it is a marketer's dream.

The article claims that 62mph will be dispatched in just 4.2 seconds, with a top speed north of 200mph, but with 738lb-ft of torque, it’s the in gear acceleration that will be absolutely mind bending. To put the torque figure in context: a Ferrari Enzo produces 484lb-ft, the Lamborghini LP640 generates 487lb-ft and even the biofuel-powered Koenigsegg CCXR can only muster an additional 2 torques, at 740lb-ft.

All three of these hypercars will see fuel consumption figures under the 10mpg mark, yet Audi claim that the R8 V12 TDi (who knows what it will end up being called) will hit 23mpg.

Images can be seen here: www.a3quattro.de

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A study, I hope they never make it.

That engine is also going to be in the Q7, there I do like it.

But a car like that shouldn't have a diesel in my opinion, no matter how good it may be. I want revs revs revs.

Be a really good car with that diesel I bet though, I've heard the Q7 with that engine on some videos and it sounds really different to what you'd expect from a diesel. But out of principle I have to shit on an R8 with a diesel :mrgreen

A study, I hope they never make it.

That engine is also going to be in the Q7, there I do like it.

But a car like that shouldn't have a diesel in my opinion, no matter how good it may be. I want revs revs revs.

Be a really good car with that diesel I bet though, I've heard the Q7 with that engine on some videos and it sounds really different to what you'd expect from a diesel. But out of principle I have to shit on an R8 with a diesel :mrgreen

lol why? Actually I think it's pretty cool using their Le Mans tech on a road sport car... :mrgreen

In the Q7, imo it's nothing special, it's not the first time we see a diesel SUV on the market... :mock

lol why? Actually I think it's pretty cool using their Le Mans tech on a road sport car... :mrgreen

In the Q7, imo it's nothing special, it's not the first time we see a diesel SUV on the market... :mock

It is the first time though that you see a 500hp V12 TDI SUV on the market :mock

Diesels just plain suck in a sports car in my opinion.

They do well at Le Mans yeah sure, but in a sports car wouldn't you want a lot of rev's and a nice soundtrack?

It is the first time though that you see a 500hp V12 TDI SUV on the market :mock

Diesels just plain suck in a sports car in my opinion.

They do well at Le Mans yeah sure, but in a sports car wouldn't you want a lot of rev's and a nice soundtrack?

With that amount of torque available, I wouldn't call it just plain suck. I think the driving experience is more important than rev and sound for a sports car. Anyway, have to hear it first before we judge about the sound. The Le Mans diesel Audi's sound is pretty good, although I know we cannot compare the race car to the road car.

Anyway, for the price of the Audi R8, it would never be my first choice, the performance is not that impressive. I think I'd take a 997 or Sagaris or Viper or R35 GT-R or Ultima over that.

:mrgreen

With that amount of torque available, I wouldn't call it just plain suck. I think the driving experience is more important than rev and sound for a sports car. Anyway, have to hear it first before we judge about the sound. The Le Mans diesel Audi's sound is pretty good, although I know we cannot compare the race car to the road car.

Anyway, for the price of the Audi R8, it would never be my first choice, the performance is not that impressive. I think I'd take a 997 or Sagaris or Viper or R35 GT-R or Ultima over that.

:mrgreen


Yeah, the R8 is meant to be a very great car to drive though from what I've been told.

But there's something about a diesel that I just can't like when it comes to sportiveness.

Eventhough it'll perform very well I'm sure with those specs.

I want 9000 rpm or more dammit :mock

I want 9000 rpm or more dammit :mock

Get a Honda VTEC, it's high revving... :fawkdance :lol

Get a Honda VTEC, it's high revving... :fawkdance :lol

That, or a GT3RS or something. 8000 rpm will also do you know :mrgreen

Eventhough it'll perform very well I'm sure with those specs.

I want 9000 rpm or more dammit :mock

man you're straaaaaaange.

I want power, revs are a by product, a negative one.

Looks like a nice car though!

man you're straaaaaaange.

I want power, revs are a by product, a negative one.

:imwst

Makes sense. Diesel is the logical way to go with the torque and efficiency. I drove diesel for years and once you get used to using the torque they are a plesure to drive around town.

I do agree that revs make it fun to drive, but thats what I have a bike for. :mock

I do agree that revs make it fun to drive, but thats what I have a bike for. :mock

I find the opposite, revs upset the handling and mean that when I want power I've gotta hunt for gears or just wait for the engine to clear it's throat.... I'd rather just have it NOW.

I find the opposite, revs upset the handling and mean that when I want power I've gotta hunt for gears or just wait for the engine to clear it's throat.... I'd rather just have it NOW.

To me there's nothing better but to go through the gears and have the engine scream.

Diesel is just not it, yes big diesels can be a laugh. But I want to hear the engine scream at the top of its lungs, and not sound like a truck.

In a pick up or 4x4 yeah Diesel's fine. But in a normal car it just annoys me. Especially in a sporty car.

I want power offcourse, but power can come with revs as well. The screaming of a Ferrari V8 for instance to me is just pure porn.

This is what I want... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RngrdmFdKW8

Classic video...

Revs revs revs :mrgreen

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/DF5442A9-0E47-42D0-A799-4B183057CCCF.htm

nothing will ever replace the heartpounding sound of a powerful big block chevy:fact

they aint got shit for revs either:fact:lol

but they got plenty of balls:fact

that r8 is pimp tho...

nothing will ever replace the heartpounding sound of a powerful big block chevy:fact


or a 426....

or a 427 SOHC, seeing a SOHC at the strip is a life altering experience.

the boss 429 has a buitiful sound as well:fact

when i was growing up my dad had a chevelle SS that he had a 496 built for...it had around 700hp. anyways i remember all the tuneing that went into that car and always thought he was wasteing his time cause it was already a mean mudda fugga. but anyways we were at a burnout contest and after seeing several badass open header burnouts my dad was up...when he started I thought it was loud as fck(open header) and when the car disappeared in smoke all you heard was him stomp the throttle to the boards and the sound increase ten times over, i was in awe at how much better that thing sounded when she was completely opened up...no hickups nothing just running perfect wideopen:fact

needless to say when that car emerged from the smoke i was amazed by my dads handy work and all the time he spent tuneing that beotch to get it running better than 99% of the cars there

there is something about the sound of a tuned v-8 that is beautiful...long live the big block:bow

yea there's nothing in the world like the howl of a bigblock on full bore.

I talk 426 and 427, but truth be told I was alway a wedge guy. My buddy's old man had a 900hp GTX that he daily drove, back in the 70's-80's, was a party trick to wheely the front wheels over a volunteers foot and get the car to a stop before he ran over the foot with the back wheels.

Poor thing sits in the shop now, doesn't get driven like it should, definitely a waste.

yea there's nothing in the world like the howl of a bigblock on full bore.

I talk 426 and 427, but truth be told I was alway a wedge guy. My buddy's old man had a 900hp GTX that he daily drove, back in the 70's-80's, was a party trick to wheely the front wheels over a volunteers foot and get the car to a stop before he ran over the foot with the back wheels.

Poor thing sits in the shop now, doesn't get driven like it should, definitely a waste.

That sounds like a laugh that car.

I'm not much for going in a straight line, but I would definently like to experience a drag race or something of that order in a beast like that.
It would still be awesome I'm sure :yes

Roman, you ever heard a twin turbo diesel spooled up to about 80 - 100 pounds of boost? There is no sound like that, you will forget all about revs. :yes

Roman, you ever heard a twin turbo diesel spooled up to about 80 - 100 pounds of boost? There is no sound like that, you will forget all about revs. :yes

I've heard and seen some amazing diesels, not sure how many boost they were running on but it would have been a lot.

And I don't mind diesels, as long as they're used in the right sort of car.

A sports car like the R8 is just not something I'd want to have a diesel in.

A truck, big 4x4 etc yeah then it can be very cool indeed.

But in a sports car I'd much much rather have my petrol sound and revs :mrgreen

80psi of boost on a cummins sounds like a jet engine :fact

actually that GTX handled very well too, when the sway bars where hooked up anyhow. which wasn't much of the time, if I'm honest. Also had to gear it to the moon to keep it from just howling sideways everytime you touched the throttle... that's kind of the point tho.

Wasn't the satellite the first car to break 200mph on an oval? or was it the superbird? I can never keep that one straight.

roman-
its easy to make a car lift tires off the ground with 500+ hp and and a properly setup suspension:fact

dragsters=scary acceleration:lol

I dunno Bro......The acceleration of a Diesel is so completely different than gas engines, its hard to describe other than how they put it in the article, "In gear acceleration". Its just insane how they pull you back compared to a gasser. And my seat of the pants dyno has a lot of time behind some really powerful gas engines...I have raced 1000+hp big and small block chevys for several years. Granted thats not a sports car per say, but acceleration is acceleration.

Not trying to convince you, but just saying you shouldnt knock em till you drive one.

superbird/daytonas were the first oval track cars to break 200mph also the first car to get banned because of it:lol

80psi of boost on a cummins sounds like a jet engine :fact


I've been for a quick ride as a passenger in a slightly less powerful version of these beasts, was very impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX9hMgOX2KM

The old days was even better, the days when those trucks (mid 80's) were actually much faster than the rally cars on the open straights.

Shame about the music... but yeah you get the idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWhAU5Qn6dQ

And nowadays

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiOlymvt46s

Onboard lap with one of the Dakar trucks during a test before the 2005 Dakar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP_MPNXrzZk

I dunno Bro......The acceleration of a Diesel is so completely different than gas engines, its hard to describe other than how they put it in the article, "In gear acceleration". Its just insane how they pull you back compared to a gasser. And my seat of the pants dyno has a lot of time behind some really powerful gas engines...I have raced 1000+hp big and small block chevys for several years. Granted thats not a sports car per say, but acceleration is acceleration.

Not trying to convince you, but just saying you shouldnt knock em till you drive one.

I've driven plenty, and I agree there's always so much torque that it's a totally different drive.

But unless they're really souped up they're just not it. The diesels you're all talking about aren't the ones that are all around me in traffic. Those suck. Big powerful stuff is always great no matter if its diesel, petrol, shit for all I care :lol

But still, no doubt that V12 TDI will be a beast of an engine, I'd have it in the Q7 (where it's originally from) any day.
But in a nice looking sports car it's definently NOT something I'd want. I'd much rather have a petrol V8, V10 or V12 that's screaming through the gears.

But true, I've never been in a diesel with more than 300hp. You don't see pick up trucks here, and when you do they're not equipped with that sort of power. At least not diesels. The American pick ups that get imported here are 99% all petrol.

But its the character of the diesel engine that I don't want in a sports car. No matter how great it is, it's just not what I want.
But for a 4x4, or truck I would prefer it in some cases.

For example

Whereas this is a very fast diesel, fast and well refined enough that I wouldn't mind it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asJdJzn2eHY

But I would much rather have this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BSPmLpRaxI

One very good point for diesels though, it's still just under 7$ per gallon. So it's considerably cheaper than petrol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTh5Dn0hww

can even hear a sled at the beginning, which sounds best of them all.

can even hear a sled at the beginning, which sounds best of them all.


Awesome that though, you're there with your sports car and you get twatted by a pick up :mrgreen

been twatted by rednecks in pickups many times man. The funniest part too, is that I went with a Supra group, thinking we knew something about boost.... and only 1 of us managed to break into the 11's and there's fuggin pickup's running mid 11's all day long without breaking a sweat, at retarded boost levels.

been twatted by rednecks in pickups many times man. The funniest part too, is that I went with a Supra group, thinking we knew something about boost.... and only 1 of us managed to break into the 11's and there's fuggin pickup's running mid 11's all day long without breaking a sweat, at retarded boost levels.

Yeah I can imagine that actually.

I was thinking the other day there's absolutely no drag scene here what so ever. Wonder what it costs to place a drag strip.

It just doesn't live here at all.

Only ever bit of drag racing I've seen in person was in Holland, I went to a tractor pull competition. Crazy things with multiple spitfire engines etc. I don't remember the names but there were a couple of engines there that were so loud I couldn't hear a thing after a short while.

I'm stuck with nothing but uncountable amounts of twisty roads, that's pretty much all there is. With the odd straight bit in between. I'll just have to make do with that.

But I'm pretty sure if I was in the US I'd be into drag racing way more.

North America is the land of stoplight to stoplight grand prix' at every corner.

I'm not so bad anymore, but when I was younger and driving faster stuff and just generally more aggressivly... it was a rare day when I didn't race somebody.

Usually just a quick 1-2 launch off of a stoplight, something forsure.

:crash

North America is the land of stoplight to stoplight grand prix' at every corner.

I'm not so bad anymore, but when I was younger and driving faster stuff and just generally more aggressivly... it was a rare day when I didn't race somebody.

Usually just a quick 1-2 launch off of a stoplight, something forsure.

That's a good laugh though. Totally don't get that at all over here. Only couple of races I've had in the street weren't really races, it's more like you end up behind or infront of someone on a twisty road late at night or something and there's no one and you just both go for it and see who gets through it quicker.

As the car I've done this in wasn't setup for that at all it still didn't go too badly must say. My little suzuki is set up for offroading not all for street but I've still managed to put a few Clio sports etc to shame through the bends. Top speed on that thing is only about 75 mph but you just can't really get much faster than that on most of those roads anyway without needing an impreza or something similar.

Still a good laugh that, amazing how much fun you can have with 65hp in an offroader, on the road :lol

fack I can remember a couple of 100mph dashes in the jeep, trying to hang with the lead guy 'cause I'd be lost as all hell without him, running with no f00king swaybars. Terrifying stuff. Big offroaders are fun, and can even have lots of engine to push themselves around on the street, but seriously... sway bars are a wonderfull thing.

fack I can remember a couple of 100mph dashes in the jeep, trying to hang with the lead guy 'cause I'd be lost as all hell without him, running with no f00king swaybars. Terrifying stuff. Big offroaders are fun, and can even have lots of engine to push themselves around on the street, but seriously... sway bars are a wonderfull thing.

Tell me about it, fully arched leafsprings all round and shitty shocks, worn down offroad tyres and no steering shock and he still couldn't keep up. Funny thing is that it never felt like it was being pushed that much, till one corner where the wheels on the right came off the ground a little and I just about shat one :lol

Not a good idea to do but you've got to do use the means you've got at the moment don't you :mrgreen

Hopefully work starts to pay off shortly and I can get some more money on the go for a better car. My suzuki is great for offroad (hasn't been road legal in a year) but my Golf IV is just not too much fun to drive. Still embarrassed a few other better cars with it, but the car had nothing to do with that, the others were just too much of a chickenshit to push their cars further.

I'm seriously glad they don't do speed controls here :rofl:jiggy

damn...im glad i live in the US. im pissed about petrol costing 3.15 a gallon and i would be lost without the mix of drag racing and corner carving:fact

I remember seeing 3.49 or higher I think for the cheap crap in Detroit while at the bike show!!! :rant

thats some BS:fact

damned gas prices:rant

damn...im glad i live in the US. im pissed about petrol costing 3.15 a gallon and i would be lost without the mix of drag racing and corner carving:fact

Petrol here is just under 9$ a gallon :kicknuts

Petrol here is just under 9$ a gallon :kicknuts
You have free health care!!! :kicknuts

You have free health care!!! :kicknuts

No I don't. Wish it was so.

No I don't. Wish it was so.

Well then........... I take back my :kicknutsthen! :lmao

Well then........... I take back my :kicknutsthen! :lmao

Cheers mate, was already not enjoying my new high pitch voice very much :mock

Petrol here is just under 9$ a gallon :kicknuts

Still cheaper than here... :r1lover

Cheers mate, was already not enjoying my new high pitch voice very much :mock
:lmao :lmao

Tell me about it, fully arched leafsprings all round and shitty shocks, worn down offroad tyres and no steering shock and he still couldn't keep up. Funny thing is that it never felt like it was being pushed that much, till one corner where the wheels on the right came off the ground a little and I just about shat one :lol

yea that's the thing with pulled swaybars... they hook real good right up until the inside wheel comes off the ground and she starts to dive in headfirst. which is definitely an iris expanding moment.

the r8 is a sexy car

Now this is more like it!

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9461/fotoidl4kg4atk0.jpg
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The Audi R8 is a fantastic road car by any stretch of the imagination with outstanding performance and handling characteristics to match. For this reason Creventic BV chose this vehicle as a basis for its new and exciting project. To develop this vehicle for competition use. Within our organization a department has been set up and a number of experienced and qualified people have been brought in to build, develop and oversee this project.
With the know how and experience from people throughout the European community the first two Audi CR-8 have been completed and will be exhibited in Dubai where they will undergo the first tests. In the following months 4 more Audi R8‘s are to be modified for competition use by our team. The two CR-8 that are to be introduced in Dubai in January have only mild modification to the engine management system, even so remapping provides a staggering 430 hp. The lower gear factory imposed power reduction has been removed to further enhance acceleration. In the future we will be looking at increasing the engines power output even further, only when we are sure that the power can be reliable increased will we do so. For Clients that have already purchased an Audi CR-8 this option will be made available as a retro fit. One of the technical modifications is the change from the standard Audi 4WD to the 2WD which is common in Motor sport. In the future we will make more lightweight parts carbon fiber body parts available to further reduce weight and increase vehicle performance. As development take place over the coming period more options such as an extra fuel tank for endurance races, central wheel locking system and a sequential gearbox will be made available.
The time spent on the track at the Dubai Autodrome can be seen not only as a shake down but also as an introduction. Prospects and interested parties can of course contact us and where possible specific requirements as made by the customer can be fulfilled. First two CR-8 can be delivered in the beginning of 2008 provided there is no option given on them yet.

I like :yes

^ Interesting... but I still don't think the CR-8 will be competitive enough on a track... :corn

^ Interesting... but I still don't think the CR-8 will be competitive enough on a track... :corn

Don't see why it wouldn't. I'm sure the power to weight ratio will be similar to the other cars in it's class.

Interested to see what it's going to do, I'll keep it updated. The other forum I'm on have a car (soon maybe more) that's entering the next endurance race where the CR-8 will make it's debut.

Let's see if their E46 M3 V8 GTR is able to beat this beefed up R8 :old

Don't see why it wouldn't. I'm sure the power to weight ratio will be similar to the other cars in it's class.

Interested to see what it's going to do, I'll keep it updated. The other forum I'm on have a car (soon maybe more) that's entering the next endurance race where the CR-8 will make it's debut.

Let's see if their E46 M3 V8 GTR is able to beat this beefed up R8 :old

I think the E46 M3 V8 GTR will beat this beefed up R8... :corn

I don't know, I think the R8 is more on the luxury side more than on the performance side, kind of like a Lexus SC 430. I mean, even the 500 hp TDI version will only do 0-60 in 4.2, a 911 Turbo with less hp is 1/2 sec quicker, and 1/2 of sec is quite a lot. Right now this CR-8 is only 430 hp, how fast can it be, I know it is a lot lighter than the road version and probably have different gear ratio, but still I think the M3 V8 GTR will beat it... :corn

I think the E46 M3 V8 GTR will beat this beefed up R8... :corn

I don't know, I think the R8 is more on the luxury side more than on the performance side, kind of like a Lexus SC 430. I mean, even the 500 hp TDI version will only do 0-60 in 4.2, a 911 Turbo with less hp is 1/2 sec quicker, and 1/2 of sec is quite a lot. Right now this CR-8 is only 430 hp, how fast can it be, I know it is a lot lighter than the road version and probably have different gear ratio, but still I think the M3 V8 GTR will beat it... :corn

It'll be interesting to see for sure. More info will come out soon I'm sure.

It's in the same class as the 911's and M3 E46 V8's so I'm sure it's got to be competitive.

We'll see how it does this season, I'm sure we'll run into the car at several events. Dutch Supercar Challenge for sure, that's meant to be the main season it's going to race in. More than one of the race drivers from BMW are on the other car forum I'm on so I'm sure they'll have something to say about it soon.

Quick video, it does sound mean :jiggy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX5mQ_iJj0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJNDTTtaHdA

It does sound mean... wonder what's the lap time compared to the 911 and M3... :corn

:drool

my stratus sounds like that:crash