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: Alignment tool?


quick6r
12-18-2007, 02:42 PM
I have had my eye on something like this for a while, but I figured that I would ask around and see if anyone has found or made something similar for wheel alignment.

Seems like it would be more accurate and less time consuming than the "string method".

http://kneeriders.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10909&stc=1&d=1176141173

Snair
12-18-2007, 03:37 PM
coat hanger with tie wraps

R1Lover
12-18-2007, 03:56 PM
I would love to have one of those... :)

R1 MASTER
12-18-2007, 04:00 PM
I have had my eye on something like this for a while, but I figured that I would ask around and see if anyone has found or made something similar for wheel alignment.

Seems like it would be more accurate and less time consuming than the "string method".

http://kneeriders.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10909&stc=1&d=1176141173

The tool you are showing is normally used for frame, subframe, swingarm alignment. Normally something you see being used while straightening a bike after an accident. I'm not saying you can't use it but it would be a fairly expensive tool just to align your chain.

If you can afford it, then yes it is probably the best tool for alignment.

If you can't afford it, there are other tools than can be used. Check the second post on this page. I normally use a digital caliper to set mine though.
http://www.yamaha-forum.net/forum/showthread.php?t=374


Ride safe.

blur1
12-18-2007, 04:46 PM
the pictured tool only aligns swingarm pivot to wheel spindle pivot. i my opinion it is more important to align the track of the front to rear wheel ( the process of string or straightedge aligning). which can be a different alignment to the pivot point alignments. if you want pivot points AND wheel alignment to be the same, you will need to have the whole frame checked/straightened.

Firehawk
12-18-2007, 05:39 PM
seen the laser ones....they're fairly inexpensive and MUCH less cumbersome than that giant thing....

fjorn
12-18-2007, 06:56 PM
Agreed. Look for a laser chain alignment tool if that's what you're intending to use it for.

rorlow
12-19-2007, 02:27 AM
seen the laser ones....they're fairly inexpensive and MUCH less cumbersome than that giant thing....



:imwst exactly what I use :old


ProfiLaserCat- http://www.lusterlace.com/cat.html :yes

Bogie
12-19-2007, 03:02 AM
Just let it slap around a bit and it will straighten out! :crash :lmao

Firehawk
12-19-2007, 07:59 AM
:imwst exactly what I use :old


ProfiLaserCat- http://www.lusterlace.com/cat.html :yes

There you go! Thanks Ron :thumbup

quick6r
12-20-2007, 07:17 AM
the pictured tool only aligns swingarm pivot to wheel spindle pivot. i my opinion it is more important to align the track of the front to rear wheel ( the process of string or straightedge aligning). which can be a different alignment to the pivot point alignments. if you want pivot points AND wheel alignment to be the same, you will need to have the whole frame checked/straightened.

I have seen quite a few people attempt the string method and it never looked like it would be very accurate. Maybe they were going about it the wrong way, but I wasn't impressed. A how-to with detailed pics might be a usefull addition to the forum................ who's on it?

Searching around on a few other forums it looks like measuring with calipers is a popular way to check alignment.

Wicked1
12-20-2007, 09:18 AM
Just let it slap around a bit and it will straighten out! :crash :lmao
tip #193 from the BOGIE SCHOOL OF MECHANICS

:crash:lmao

quick6r
12-20-2007, 10:24 AM
Is this what you were talking about Blur?

http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/sportryderswheelalignmentmethod.shtml

blur1
12-21-2007, 01:02 AM
Is this what you were talking about Blur?

http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/sportryderswheelalignmentmethod.shtml
that is exactly what i'm talking about. and if you think about the other ways ,e.g pivot point aligning or chain and/or sprocket alignment, they are useless for helping the bike steer neutrally unless you can prove the wheels are in perfect line with each other first. so for me personally i take great care in aligning front and rear wheels. and so should anyone else for that matter.

blur1
12-21-2007, 01:07 AM
i would add that i use a spirit (builders) level.(3 ft) vertically against the bottom to top of the rear tyre to make sure the bike (rear wheel) is 'plumb' before stringlining. if need be, put small 'packers' under the rear stand to 'plumb' it.

Bogie
12-21-2007, 03:01 AM
tip #193 from the BOGIE SCHOOL OF MECHANICS

:crash:lmao
:yes:rofl

quick6r
03-05-2008, 01:01 PM
I guess this is one way of doing it. If it's good enough for these guys.............

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2008/usasuperbike/daytona/z/DaytonaTues008.JPG

blur1
03-05-2008, 03:05 PM
I guess this is one way of doing it. If it's good enough for these guys.............

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2008/usasuperbike/daytona/z/DaytonaTues008.JPG
yep! stringline or as pictured straightedge aligning is the proper way to set a bike up.:old. if you only align your chain/sprockets or pivot points you might actually be cocking your wheels out of alignment.:fact. sorry to the guys that spent money on the other 'tools'.

blur1
03-05-2008, 03:24 PM
here's my bike when i last stringlined it. click on the pics to make them a little clearer.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z296/blur1ss/IMG_0994.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z296/blur1ss/IMG_0992.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z296/blur1ss/IMG_0991.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z296/blur1ss/IMG_0987.jpg

quick6r
03-05-2008, 03:29 PM
Thanks for the pics.

HenryF
03-05-2008, 06:54 PM
So if you do this string method and find that the chain adjusters points are not even close to being the same, the frame might be bent?

Junior
03-05-2008, 07:04 PM
sure could be.

vcyclenut
03-05-2008, 07:18 PM
this subject is a very interesting one,

i align my wheel by aligning my sprockets to each other

i adjust my wheel alignment until when i spin the back tire the chain floats back and forth on the back sprocket and does not always stay to one side. If you sit direct;y behind the sprocket when spinning the tire its easy to see. If you check you will find that this methid is pretty sensitive. If you get it correct and then move one of the adjustments half a turn the chain will no longer float it will always be against one side of the back sprocket. It only takes a couple minutes and i think it is a pretty good method.

like was said before you never really know if everything is allign unless you pay gmd some $$$$$$$$$$

So if you do this string method and find that the chain adjusters points are not even close to being the same, the frame might be bent?


yep it could be or the marks could just be stamped a little off

blur1
03-05-2008, 10:56 PM
this subject is a very interesting one,

i align my wheel by aligning my sprockets to each other

i adjust my wheel alignment until when i spin the back tire the chain floats back and forth on the back sprocket and does not always stay to one side. If you sit direct;y behind the sprocket when spinning the tire its easy to see. If you check you will find that this methid is pretty sensitive. If you get it correct and then move one of the adjustments half a turn the chain will no longer float it will always be against one side of the back sprocket. It only takes a couple minutes and i think it is a pretty good method.

like was said before you never really know if everything is allign unless you pay gmd some $$$$$$$$$$




yep it could be or the marks could just be stamped a little off
bro, stringline your rear wheel to your front wheel. dont align just the sprockets only.
your engine, and so the front sprocket can run on a seperate axis to the wheels which should be the number one priority. then if you are 'lucky' your sprockets and/or your pivot points of swingarm to rear axle might also line up. but who cares? as the wheels should not crabwalk on any bike.
and to the other poster. dont rely on swingarm marks unless you KNOW your marks are true with your wheels being in line.

rorlow
03-06-2008, 01:35 AM
here's my bike when i last stringlined it. click on the pics to make them a little clearer.

we're gonna have to take up a collection to get you one of these to match the swinger :yes

blur1
03-06-2008, 05:25 AM
we're gonna have to take up a collection to get you one of these to match the swinger :yes
lol, i agree. i love the harris rearstands. if it were cheaper to send one here i would have one for sure. hey i just ordered a brand new set of 41mm keihin flatslides for my bike yesterday. i'm gonna try another ramair box i have here too.:hello

Bogie
03-06-2008, 05:28 AM
we're gonna have to take up a collection to get Brian some Suspension Bits from Ohlins! :yes


Fixed that for ya Ron!! :lol :lol

:hello

sss r1
03-06-2008, 05:30 AM
damn blue , u got the one on ebay? coz i dont see one listed no more lol.
i wanted to get it lol.
but i got the yec cam ...:rofl

blur1
03-06-2008, 06:02 AM
damn blue , u got the one on ebay? coz i dont see one listed no more lol.
i wanted to get it lol.
but i got the yec cam ...:rofl
yep, i saved his address. when you are ready let me know. i'll put you onto him. he sends worldwide and responds to email straight away. and has paypal etc. a nice guy that knows his stuff.:thumbup

rorlow
03-06-2008, 03:24 PM
Fixed that for ya Ron!! :lol :lol

:hello


good to see you posting "B", hope your feeling better :thumbup


oh snap I forgot . . . while you were gone we chipped in & got you some Ohlins forks :yes

rorlow
03-06-2008, 03:27 PM
lol, i agree. i love the harris rearstands. if it were cheaper to send one here i would have one for sure. hey i just ordered a brand new set of 41mm keihin flatslides for my bike yesterday. i'm gonna try another ramair box i have here too.:hello


sweet . . . you going to do cams & head work too? or down the road? the induction sound should really sound incredable :bow

quick6r
03-06-2008, 03:35 PM
Those are great !!!

blur1
03-07-2008, 12:52 AM
sweet . . . you going to do cams & head work too? or down the road? the induction sound should really sound incredable :bow
i already have headwork and a y.e.c headgasket. here's a pic of my ports.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z296/blur1ss/IMG_0530.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z296/blur1ss/IMG_0527.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z296/blur1ss/IMG_0529.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z296/blur1ss/IMG_0528.jpg

Bogie
03-07-2008, 02:46 AM
good to see you posting "B", hope your feeling better :thumbup


oh snap I forgot . . . while you were gone we chipped in & got you some Ohlins forks :yes


Sweet!!! I want a full set of dinnerware like that!! :rock

Thanks Ron...I am doing alot better these days!! :fact :yes